[Trade] Iginla to the Pens for Agostino, Hanowski, 2013 1st

[moon]

Originally Posted by valo403

Just to be clear, the Flames options were a) make the deal, or b) get nothing. Nobody was upping their offers to a team that had no options.

What made this specific deal the only deal they could accept?

Originally Posted by valo403

Calgary was not in a position to hold out. What was going to change in 5 days? There was one team here who was risking getting nothing, that team doesn't have the luxury of waiting around.

What would change in 5 days was the Penguins having more pressure to get the player they wanted on their team before the deadline.

The Penguins were risking not getting Iginla in the deal.

And unless Iginla is a liar the Flames had other options with other teams.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, Feaster did not fulfill his formula of a top prospect + secondary prospect + and a first. Two secondary prospects at best.

Secondary prospects if we're lucky. Would not be surprised if we never hear anything about either of these guys again.

[JiriHrdina]

Another possible way this played out
- Boston and Calgary agree on the deal
- Bs make the 1st conditional
- Feaster goes to Iggy and say the 1st is conditional, do you think there's a good chance you re-sign there.
- Iggy says no, or says I want to test the market, or says I plan on coming back to the west for family reasons, something like that
- Feaster now knows the chances of the conditional 1st becoming a 1st are slim, so moves on to Pitt who will include a first without conditions.

I actually think that's precisely how it may have gone.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Secondary prospects if we're lucky. Would not be surprised if we never heard anything about either of these guys again.

And to this I'll say - have you ever watched them at all?
Why can't people just admit what they don't know.

I don't know these players at all. I don't know if they will make it or not.

So I'm not going to proclaim they are likely NHLers or say we'll "never hear from them again".

[valo403]

Originally Posted by moon

What made this specific deal the only deal they could accept?

What would change in 5 days was the Penguins having more pressure to get the player they wanted on their team before the deadline.

The Penguins were risking not getting Iginla in the deal.

And unless Iginla is a liar the Flames had other options with other teams.

The Flames only had the options Iginla said they had, and he chose the Penguins. End of story.

And the Penguins weren't desperate. The Flames were.

[dammage79]

Think you nailed it Jiri.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by moon

But that doesn't mean they have to take whatever Pittsburgh offered right now and could have negotiatied to get a better return.

The returns were getting worse as the days went by, not better.

[Robbob]

Regarding the return, I looked back to what LA received for trading a 35 year old Gretzky to STL as a rental. Patrice Tardif, Roman Vopat, Craig Johnson a 5th and a 1st rounder the following year.

[puckluck2]

So when people thought it was Boston we should have known the return would be minimal because Iginla isn't the same player as before but now that he chose Pittsburgh over Boston the rules of the game changed and Feaster got fleeced because Iginla put him in a bad situation.

[Machiavelli]

Reactions from former teammates:

http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=nhl-analysis...93825/clip/625

Kipper's reaction actually made me the most sad

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Another possible way this played out
- Boston and Calgary agree on the deal
- Bs make the 1st conditional
- Feaster goes to Iggy and say the 1st is conditional, do you think there's a good chance you re-sign there.
- Iggy says no, or says I want to test the market, or says I plan on coming back to the west for family reasons, something like that
- Feaster now knows the chances of the conditional 1st becoming a 1st are slim, so moves on to Pitt who will include a first without conditions.

I actually think that's precisely how it may have gone.

That makes sense. I hope though, if that was the case, that Feaster would have went back to Boston and said that we were taking the Pittsburgh offer unless they made the 1st unconditional. It's just hard to imagine that it would be a deal breaker for the Bruins.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

And to this I'll say - have you ever watched them at all?
Why can't people just admit what they don't know.

I don't know these players at all. I don't know if they will make it or not.

So I'm not going to proclaim they are likely NHLers or say we'll "never hear from them again".

But the internet doesn't say they're going to be the next Gretzky like it did for Rob Schremp so really they should probably just not bother reporting to Calgary and find an east coast beer league. In fact, my team could probably find room for them.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

So when people thought it was Boston we should have known the return would be minimal because Iginla isn't the same player as before but now that he chose Pittsburgh over Boston the rules of the game changed and Feaster got fleeced because Iginla put him in a bad situation.

Did a specific poster say this or are you arguing in a vacuum?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Regarding the return, I looked back to what LA received for trading a 35 year old Gretzky to STL as a rental. Patrice Tardif, Roman Vopat, Craig Johnson a 5th and a 1st rounder the following year.

Are you seriously comparing Iginla to Gretzky?

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

What does Smith add to any deal? How does that change anything?

I didn't mean "Smith", it was my russian way of saying "something"

[moon]

Originally Posted by valo403

The Flames only had the options Iginla said they had, and he chose the Penguins. End of story.

And the Penguins weren't desperate. The Flames were.

I think he choose the Penguins at that time. Again does he chose the Penguins if the Flames say they do not like the offer?

If they say we like the offers from LA and Boston does Iginla say nope I want only Pittsburgh. If that was the case then it puts them in a tough spot but it sounds like they said that they liked all 3 offers, Pittsburgh included, and in my view saying that the Pittsburgh offer was acceptable was a bad decision.

i also think there would have been more pressure on Pittsburgh than you do but we will never know without being in the room of each team I guess.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ

I've already downloaded the Pen's schedule to my Google calendar.

Going to call Shaw tomorrow for Center Ice.

Check the TV schedule before you buy Center Ice. Most of their games have been on the NHL network and blacked out on Center Ice so far this year, at least in the US.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Another possible way this played out
- Boston and Calgary agree on the deal
- Bs make the 1st conditional
- Feaster goes to Iggy and say the 1st is conditional, do you think there's a good chance you re-sign there.
- Iggy says no, or says I want to test the market, or says I plan on coming back to the west for family reasons, something like that
- Feaster now knows the chances of the conditional 1st becoming a 1st are slim, so moves on to Pitt who will include a first without conditions.

I actually think that's precisely how it may have gone.

That very well might have happened. It still does not excuse the GM from getting a better return from Pitt.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Did a specific poster say this or are you arguing in a vacuum?

Got a mirror handy?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Are you seriously comparing Iginla to Gretzky?

Why wouldn't you? Not a lot of HOF's that ahve been traded in similar situations to compare with. It's actually a pretty apt comparison, two dominant guys on the downside of their careers.