Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

A candidate for Liberal leadership is a Liberal supporter?

Weird. Who woulda thunk!

I never called him an outsider, I said the further outside a candidate is, the more they’ll struggle to play offence. Do you believe Carney, who is not an elected official, not a member of cabinet, and never has been, is further outside the Liberal party than Freeland, who is an elected member of the Liberal party and former part of cabinet? Yes or no?

Yes.

He's in outsider in terms of not been elected and only recently being in official party status

He's not an outsider in terms of allegiance and direct support to the Liberals and Trudeau over several years

Compared to Freeland, he is much less experienced as MP or politician. In that measure he is an outsider to the Canadian election system and more on the outside to Freeland.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Yes.

He's in outsider in terms of not been elected and only recently being in official party status

He's not an outsider in terms of allegiance and direct support to the Liberals and Trudeau over several years

Compared to Freeland, he is much less experienced as MP or politician. In that measure he is an outsider to the Canadian election system and more on the outside to Freeland.

and funny enough, not a outsider to Freeland being her kids godfather.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Yes.

He's in outsider in terms of not been elected and only recently being in official party status

He's not an outsider in terms of allegiance and direct support to the Liberals and Trudeau over several years

Compared to Freeland, he is much less experienced as MP or politician. In that measure he is an outsider to the Canadian election system and more on the outside to Freeland.

You must really hate how Danielle Smith ended up being Premier of Alberta then.

[Makarov]

Slow down, guys. I'm still trying to edit my truck flag... how about this?

"#### [the inexperienced, unelected outsider mastermind secretly pulling all of the strings as a Liberal-supporting, Freeland-godfathering insider behind] Trudeau".

Probably needs more spelling errors?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Yes.

He's in outsider in terms of not been elected and only recently being in official party status

He's not an outsider in terms of allegiance and direct support to the Liberals and Trudeau over several years

Compared to Freeland, he is much less experienced as MP or politician. In that measure he is an outsider to the Canadian election system and more on the outside to Freeland.

That line is hilarious. Of course, someone running for the leadership is a party supporter—more news at 11.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Yes.

He's in outsider in terms of not been elected and only recently being in official party status

He's not an outsider in terms of allegiance and direct support to the Liberals and Trudeau over several years

Compared to Freeland, he is much less experienced as MP or politician. In that measure he is an outsider to the Canadian election system and more on the outside to Freeland.

Exactly, so if you agree with what I said, then I don’t see why you’re obsessed with freaking out every time I post. “OMG do you blame them for burning yer toast!? lol” no man, I just said something you agree with. Take a xanny and relax.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Good write up from a few years ago about the dangerous ideas in the head of former Epstein island alumnus Carbon Tax Carney











https://nationalpost.com/opinion/pet...nt-be-pleasant





Scary Scary stuff

New World Order here we come.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Good write up from a few years ago about the dangerous ideas in the head of former Epstein island alumnus Carbon Tax Carney





https://nationalpost.com/opinion/pet...nt-be-pleasant


Scary Scary stuff

Sign me up, it’s Locke’s dream of a society run by accountants.

That is not the only thing Carney has in common with Saint-Simon, who believed that society should be ruled by savants such as himself; an alliance of engineers and other technocratic intellectuals, along with bankers. Carney is very much a banker technocrat, not merely at ease gliding along the corridors of global bureaucratic power, but expert at framing arguments that support an ever-expanding role for his class.

How terrible a society run by experts.

Also funny is that the author of that article says he follows Marx but instead of taking away capitalism he works within capitalism. Ahhh so not a Marxist.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Wormius

You must really hate how Danielle Smith ended up being Premier of Alberta then.

Yes?

I understand that some here are rabid partisans that post 56 times in a day and are doing everything they can to promote their side as if it's a sport, but not everyone is here taking party allegiances or partisan based sides.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by GGG

Sign me up



How terrible a society run by experts.

You mean we can't just have people like Poilievre, who've never done anything in the business world, learn things on YouTube to handle it?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Slow down, guys. I'm still trying to edit my truck flag... how about this?

"#### [the inexperienced, unelected outsider mastermind secretly pulling all of the strings as a Liberal-supporting, Freeland-godfathering insider behind] Trudeau".

Probably needs more spelling errors?

I hope you have a cybertruck to fit all that

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I hope you have a cybertruck to fit all that

Oh, you know I do.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Slava

That line is hilarious. Of course, someone running for the leadership is a party supporter—more news at 11.

Carney is promoting himself as an outsider. In some ways he is, in other ways he is not. Question asked was is he further outside than Freeland. I quantified the answer.

I don't see how that is hard to comprehend or how that is hilarious.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Carney is promoting himself as an outsider. In some ways he is, in other ways he is not.

I don't see how that is hard to comprehend.

What is your point then? Aspiring politician says things that are mostly true, but in other ways not entirely true. More at 5.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Carney is promoting himself as an outsider. In some ways he is, in other ways he is not.

I don't see how that is hard to comprehend.

Because he's not in government and has never been in elected office. Pretty clearly, he's an outsider. The only ones who think otherwise are desperate to tie him to Trudeau for partisan reasons.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GGG

Sign me up, it’s Locke’s dream of a society run by accountants.



How terrible a society run by experts.

Also funny is that the author of that article says he follows Marx but instead of taking away capitalism he works within capitalism. Ahhh so not a Marxist.

I’m sure it existed before, but it’s kind of amazing how COVID basically normalized the right wing obsession with attacking academics, experts, and professionals and how they try to frame these things as some sort of insidious trait.

Yet another warning sign of fascism.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Slava

Because he's not in government and has never been in elected office. Pretty clearly, he's an outsider. The only ones who think otherwise are desperate to tie him to Trudeau for partisan reasons.

It's really not that hard to relate him back to Trudeau and only the posters in this thread would argue that.

He has been Trudeau's "official" advisor since September and an "unofficial" advisor since covid.

His campaign team is literally Trudeau's PMO.

[chemgear]

Not sure if it's the right comparison but Statistics Canada says a million students and ISCR is only able to track 700k? Lots more coming to jump onto the asylum claim train.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...tendance-data/

Nearly 50,000 foreign students listed as ‘no-shows’ by Canadian schools

Close to 50,000 international students who received study permits to come to Canada were reported as “no-shows” at the colleges and universities where they were supposed to be taking their courses, according to government figures for two months last spring.

Of the total no-shows, almost 20,000 from India – 5.4 per cent of the total number of Indian students tracked by IRCC – were reported as non-compliant with their student visas and not attending schools where they were meant to be studying.

Indian law-enforcement officials said last month that they are investigating alleged links between dozens of colleges in Canada taking in international students and two “entities” in India alleged to be involved in illegally transporting people across the Canada-U.S. border. Instead of studying in Canada, the students allegedly crossed the border illegally into the United States.

The RCMP said in a statement that it has “reached out to India through its International Policing Liaison Officers to seek additional information on investigations.”

“Canada is also aware of the reports of individuals crossing irregularly into the U.S. from Canada, often with the help of facilitation or smuggling networks.”

“Statistics Canada, which has its own methodology of counting population, indicates there were over one million valid student holders in April. But the IRCC data that looks at enrolment has a significantly smaller number of international students. This is a gap that suggests that an even larger number of students are not accounted for than the compliance data suggests.”

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GGG

Sign me up, it’s Locke’s dream of a society run by accountants.

Hmm....I do have a dream of a society run by accountants, but I'm not so sure this is it, it seems a little Dictatorial to me and I'm only cool with that if I'm the Dictator.

My tune has never changed. I just want a society where we can make sure that everyone has equal rights, we can realistically fund our social programs with Tax Revenue and keep everything going smoothly.

Of course there are always going to be more moving pieces than that, but as with most things, get your fundamental foundations down and then you can concentrate on the rest.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by GGG

Sign me up, it’s Locke’s dream of a society run by accountants.



How terrible a society run by experts.

Also funny is that the author of that article says he follows Marx but instead of taking away capitalism he works within capitalism. Ahhh so not a Marxist.

Doing a lot of reading on him, going to grab his book in the next day or two, listening to his Reith lectures right now, and he brings up Adam Smith or Freidrich Hayak as much as Marx. Honestly I am a little confused by him because by all accounts his affinity for market forces places him in the neoliberal camp of economics - but his restraint and actions with the BoC, and then his more recent talks seem to point to a softer idea of the market as a tool of society and not a definer of society. Which is definitely leans more left.

So far he is seeming like someone who understands that we work in a capitalist society and how market money works, but who also tempers that with the idea that it is human values that should define us. I don't know how better to define a centrist economist - but I am leaving that open until I learn more.