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[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

I disagree, I think this is just a way for the Flames community to feel better about the contract. Started out as a couple people saying it a few years ago and now it's become a fact to most.
I think we are mistaking the system we play vs Florida for him being a more complete player.
Also, who has 115 point winger on their team and then wishes they were a more complete player?

As Vinny said, this isn’t fan theory, the facts support it.

As to the last sentence, the greatest coach in the game once wished his star 115+ point forward was better defensively and a more complete player. Got so heated they almost traded the player. Instead, the player become one of the top two-way players and won a bunch of cups.

Plus the fact that the same 115 point winger you’re talking about was traded for a more complete player with lower point totals… that team also went on to win cups.

Crazy right.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

As Vinny said, this isn’t fan theory, the facts support it.



As to the last sentence, the greatest coach in the game once wished his star 115+ point forward was better defensively and a more complete player. Got so heated they almost traded the player. Instead, the player become one of the top two-way players and won a bunch of cups.



Plus the fact that the same 115 point winger you’re talking about was traded for a more complete player with lower point totals… that team also went on to win cups.



Crazy right.

In our case, the much more complete player (Tkachuk) has also outscored Hubderdeau by a considerable margin since the trade.

3 ppg+ seasons vs 2 50 point and 1 60p point season.

Is the better defense good? Yes, but it came at the expense of nearly all Hubderdeaus production.

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[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

In our case, the much more complete player (Tkachuk) has also outscored Hubderdeau by a considerable margin since the trade.

3 ppg+ seasons vs 2 50 point and 1 60p point season.

Is the better defense good? Yes, but it came at the expense of nearly all Hubderdeaus production.

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That’s not relevant to the point though. Nobody, including Zito and Treliving, made that trade thinking Huberdeau would crater and Tkachuk would start outscoring him. Zito didn’t acquire Tkachuk because he wanted better offence from Huberdeau.

And I would argue Huberdeau becoming more complete is not the reason his points cratered. They cratered first, and he’s since had to figure out other ways to impact the game.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s not relevant to the point though. Nobody, including Zito and Treliving, made that trade thinking Huberdeau would crater and Tkachuk would start outscoring him. Zito didn’t acquire Tkachuk because he wanted better offence from Huberdeau.

And I would argue Huberdeau becoming more complete is not the reason his points cratered. They cratered first, and he’s since had to figure out other ways to impact the game.

My bad, I thought someone was saying that there's some whitewashing about Huberdeaus contract because he's a more complete player than he was in Florida, which may be true but it came at a very deep cut to his offensive production. That's what I was speaking to.



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[FlamesAddiction]

In Florida, he was a never a guy who worked overly hard and the points always seemed to come easy for him. It showed in the playoffs where he would usually just disappear. Now, to get 50-60 points, he actually has to work for it and to his credit, he was last year. In that way, I think he is a better player in some respects and if the Flames did make the playoffs, I hope some hope that he would actually be OK.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

My bad, I thought someone was saying that there's some whitewashing about Huberdeaus contract because he's a more complete player than he was in Florida, which may be true but it came at a very deep cut to his offensive production. That's what I was speaking to.



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All good, someone may have been making that point and I just missed it, I wasn’t reading the entire conversation.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

My bad, I thought someone was saying that there's some whitewashing about Huberdeaus contract because he's a more complete player than he was in Florida, which may be true but it came at a very deep cut to his offensive production. That's what I was speaking to.



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His more two way play didn't come at the expense of a deep cut to his production. It was an adaptation to the situation by him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

In Florida, he was a never a guy who worked overly hard and the points always seemed to come easy for him. It showed in the playoffs where he would usually just disappear. Now, to get 50-60 points, he actually has to work for it and to his credit, he was last year. In that way, I think he is a better player in some respects and if the Flames did make the playoffs, I hope some hope that he would actually be OK.

21 points in 26 games isn't bad, but he was particularly bad in 2021/2022 with 5 points in 10 games. And then he was traded.

But Tkachuk wasn't great in the playoffs for Calgary.
15 points in 23 games.

And at times he disappeared as well. Or got injured.

Now he's become a clutch guy in Florida, while Hub hasn't been back in the playoffs.

But at the moment of the trade, they had similar issues in that regard.