Practice notes Nov 13 - Huberdeau returns

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Who is, in your opinion, "the coach for this team"?

Because as frustrated as I sometimes get with some of Sutter's decisions with respect to player usage, I've seen no evidence that so-called player's coaches like Ward and Gulutzan were the answer for this team. The most successful coaches in the Treliving era have been

- Hartley, whose systems are a mess, with allegations against his character
- Peters, who is a person of dubious-at-absolute-best character
- Sutter,

That is one hell of a good question and I don't have the answer. Certainly no one from our past although I did like Hartley.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Dumb hicks? Why don't you tell us, since you came up with it?

Or are you confused on you getting called out as being the very dumb hick in question of your own post?

Confusion about your confusion is real.

Pepsifree's last post, read it....

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sutter hockey is not my issue with Darryl. I don't even think this team is playing Sutter hockey they are so leaky on the defensive end.

The issue with Sutter is his ice time distribution and deployment of players like over relying on pluggers.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Yikes

True, but in my opinion only he is not the coach for this team by a long shot.


Way to talented to be playing Sutter hockey.

Darryl has forgotten more about hockey than you’ll ever know.

[Yikes]

Agreed

[gvitaly]

I just wanted to throw my 2 cents into the Sutter discussion. One of Sutter’s best qualities as a coach is being able to read his players. More often than not he knows exactly what buttons to push to get the best out of his players. I think he’s doing it with Huberdeau, Mangiapane, and Dube right now. Each of them is getting a different sort of push, and hopefully they all respond.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Sutter hockey is not my issue with Darryl. I don't even think this team is playing Sutter hockey they are so leaky on the defensive end.

The issue with Sutter is his ice time distribution and deployment of players like over relying on pluggers.

Actually in recent games we've seen the team return to who they were last year minus finish.

They're 7th in xGA60 in the month of November, and 7th in xHDCA60.

Not really all that leaky anymore.

They have the 31st ranked 5 on 5 save percentage in November though, and that's tough to recover from.

31st ranked PDO.

This is a due to correct team if there is one in the NHL.

Good streak incoming!

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Actually in recent games we've seen the team return to who they were last year minus finish.

They're 7th in xGA60 in the month of November, and 7th in xHDCA60.

Not really all that leaky anymore.

They have the 31st ranked 5 on 5 save percentage in November though, and that's tough to recover from.

31st ranked PDO.

This is a due to correct team if there is one in the NHL.

Good streak incoming!

Let's go!! I hope I am wrong about Sutter as well as Markstrom!

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Huberdeau was less than 100% in those games, the Flames played terribly as a group, and it was only 2 games. It takes more than that to determine whether the line combination can work or not.

If you change lines every time they don't work for two games, your bench will be in a permanent blender mode.

Huberdeau's injuries apparently came against the Islanders. Which was after the two games he played with Kadri-Mangiapane.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Sutter hockey is not my issue with Darryl. I don't even think this team is playing Sutter hockey they are so leaky on the defensive end.

The issue with Sutter is his ice time distribution and deployment of players like over relying on pluggers.

My take is he’s rewarding guys that are playing hard.

Guys like Mangiapane, Dube, Coleman and Huberdeau aren’t producing anything. So they are getting less ice time.

He has an underperforming team and he’s trying to get them to perform. I’m sure he’s tried other things prior to that like switching lines around and it wasn’t working. Now he’s sending direct messages.

If the players don’t like it then play better. Pretty simple.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Actually in recent games we've seen the team return to who they were last year minus finish.

They're 7th in xGA60 in the month of November, and 7th in xHDCA60.

Not really all that leaky anymore.

They have the 31st ranked 5 on 5 save percentage in November though, and that's tough to recover from.

31st ranked PDO.

This is a due to correct team if there is one in the NHL.

Good streak incoming!

I think it happens as well if one or two of the lines could get hot. Or the powerplay.

They’re playing good enough to win all of the games they have been in lately.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Yikes

I felt that calling out Huberdeau was over the top and then the took a s**t comment made my skin crawl, especially when he was in fact get looked at re: injury. As I mentioned before, for all we know Huberdeau told Sutter where to stick it and how far. You have a team that came out gangbusters, then Buffalo, then all of a sudden forgot how they played the first 5 games? Yeah right.

How did he call out Huberdeau? The #### comment was funny, and most likely Huberdeau thought it was too - you'd have to have virtually no sense of humour and a thin skin to get bent out of shape by that... Sutter was clearly mocking the question - what coach is going to divulge injury details?

For all we know Huberdeau told Sutter he thought it was funny. Or for all we know he told Sutter nothing and didn't care. You have absolutely no clue how Huberdeau took that comment and appear to making a mountain of a mole hill.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

why would Sutter call out his players through the media when he has an issue with performance ?

he wouldn't . he would do that behind closed doors . I think Sutter just doesn't take media availabilities seriously

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah it just really feels like Francis is trying to push the narrative of a Huberdeau - Sutter fued

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah it just really feels like Francis is trying to push the narrative of a Huberdeau - Sutter fued

Francis is trying to push the narrative that Francis is relevant.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

A hick with two cups.

The list of coaches who have more than two cups is shockingly low, only ten guys have done it more than twice and only eight guys, Sutter included have won more than one cup. His 705 career wins put him 9th all time.

I'm not an appeal to authority type of person but Sutter has an incredibly long leash with me, and he should with the fan base. It's not like his success is in the deep past either, the guy who coach of the year last spring. Does that automatically mean he'll right this ship? Of course not but brushing aside Darryl Sutter as a dumb hick is something that shouldn't ended twenty years ago, and probably shouldn't have started at all.

He's one of of the smartest hockey minds the game has ever seen IMO.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Is Yikes a member of the media? Few people on reddit mentioned Francis posts here as Scooter.

[bdubbs]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

why would Sutter call out his players through the media when he has an issue with performance ?

he wouldn't . he would do that behind closed doors . I think Sutter just doesn't take media availabilities seriously

I agree with everything except this bolded point. I think Sutter is really savvy with how he answers the media, and the media in Calgary is getting better with phrasing their questions because of how Sutter responds to lazily asked questions. He takes his media very seriously, even if it seems like he is playing games.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Actually in recent games we've seen the team return to who they were last year minus finish.

They're 7th in xGA60 in the month of November, and 7th in xHDCA60.

Not really all that leaky anymore.

They have the 31st ranked 5 on 5 save percentage in November though, and that's tough to recover from.

31st ranked PDO.

This is a due to correct team if there is one in the NHL.

Good streak incoming!

The numbers look good, but there was a lot of grade A's given up in the middle of the ice that missed the net.

Kind of felt like the Oilers series not the whole game but some of the chances, they count as high danger, but they felt more dangerous.

Once Tanev went down against Dallas our defensive play went downhill, and it went into the Edmonton series.

Or maybe it is just Markstroms poor play that makes every shot feel like it's a high danger chance.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

why would Sutter call out his players through the media when he has an issue with performance ?

he wouldn't . he would do that behind closed doors . I think Sutter just doesn't take media availabilities seriously

Looked like he was calling them out today.

That’s usually the last resort in the motivation bag of tricks.