So there is ONE core guy traded this summer...who do you choose?

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

AKA teams you must go through to go far in the playoffs. I'm okay trading Gaudreau because his game just does not translate to playoff hockey. Which is the whole point of cheering for a team, in hopes of one day wearing the crown.
I think people are really against trading him because the team will be heavily devoid of skill in the long regular seasons to come, but I think we need to accept the short term pain of losing him to restart and try again with the high end assets we'd get back before his value starts to diminish.

I’m not sure I buy this...

To my eye it has been a lack of finishing that has plagued Johnny in the playoffs.

When we faced, pretty sure it was, Colorado he was generating offence and even had some breakaways and a penalty shot and couldn’t bury them. If your game doesn’t translate you aren’t even generating chances.

Johnny was in his funk where he was snake bitten on breakaways, mostly because he only tried to deke and tuck it fivehole. He seems to be shooting more and even scored a snipe on Montreal on a breakaway not too long ago.

This made up storyline that Johnny can’t succeed in the playoffs cause he is too small is just that, made up.

You don’t generate offence if you don’t have it in you so if you want to ridicule him it was lack of finish but don’t pretend like he is completely invisible out there and can’t do anything creatively when the playoffs start.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

Well thats the thing, if you trade Gaudreau you expect the team to suffer. Someone has to make that decision, or we can hold on to him until hes 34 and acquire Ben Hanowski for him.

Elite players are hard to find and the Flames have one in #13. If you can keep him until 34, then I really don't care if he nets you a Hanowski. This league is about winning hockey games, not winning just a single trade.

[djsFlames]

Yeah the Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk line looks like it could really go places. Maybe its Tkachuk's sneaky passes to make space for guys but Johnny looks rejuvenated with those two and interested in shooting as much as setting up his line mates.

Seeing how offensively challenged Monahan is outside of the PP on his own line kind of shows you how difficult it must have been to connect on a play with Monahan and Ritchie. Limited ability and no finish between those two (of late).

It means we're going to need to find some decent secondary scoring somewhere. I think we should deal Monahan if the value is there and try to reel in a UFA like Landeskog, or a combination of a couple middle six guys that can chip in offense. Collecting second tier forwards by free agency has paid off pretty well for the Habs.

Bring Kinvall over in the summer. Get Hanifin all patched up. Reload.

[Vinny01]

It is so crystal clear the key situation that needs to be settled this summer is Gaudreau he absolutely needs to be either extended or traded. Considering the organization has disappointed and failed to take a meaningful step forward through the first 5 years of Gaudreau’s contract I think the writing is on the wall.

How can the organization justify giving the player a raise and committing long term when they have failed to do anything other than win the division once in the first 7 years of Johnny’s career where he basically became the franchise player from his rookie season onward.

How can the player look at how the team has performed through his first 7 years in the league and decide this is where he wants to continue to play and chase a cup. We all know Johnny is from the north east USA, we know he is engaged to a girl from Philly, we know he doesn’t like to fly. He has many choices on where he can play but his fiancé is in Philly which is his hometown and also where his best buddy from college plays on a long term deal.

The Flames absolutely cannot enter next season with Johnny on the team and him remaining a pending UFA.

I could see a scenario where the Flames turnover this group by trading Gaudreau and Monahan and losing Gio to Seattle.

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Elite players are hard to find and the Flames have one in #13. If you can keep him until 34, then I really don't care if he nets you a Hanowski. This league is about winning hockey games, not winning just a single trade.

We don't win hockey games in the first place. How is that realistically going to change in the next few years given the current state of the team? If you're okay with the eventual Gaudreau trade netting you a Hanowski then I don't know what to say to you other than I thought you were a Flames fan!

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It is so crystal clear the key situation that needs to be settled this summer is Gaudreau he absolutely needs to be either extended or traded. Considering the organization has disappointed and failed to take a meaningful step forward through the first 5 years of Gaudreau’s contract I think the writing is on the wall.

How can the organization justify giving the player a raise and committing long term when they have failed to do anything other than win the division once in the first 7 years of Johnny’s career where he basically became the franchise player from his rookie season onward.

How can the player look at how the team has performed through his first 7 years in the league and decide this is where he wants to continue to play and chase a cup. We all know Johnny is from the north east USA, we know he is engaged to a girl from Philly, we know he doesn’t like to fly. He has many choices on where he can play but his fiancé is in Philly which is his hometown and also where his best buddy from college plays on a long term deal.

The Flames absolutely cannot enter next season with Johnny on the team and him remaining a pending UFA.

I could see a scenario where the Flames turnover this group by trading Gaudreau and Monahan and losing Gio to Seattle.

100% this. But JG doesn't like to fly? Do tell...

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I’m not sure I buy this...

To my eye it has been a lack of finishing that has plagued Johnny in the playoffs.

When we faced, pretty sure it was, Colorado he was generating offence and even had some breakaways and a penalty shot and couldn’t bury them. If your game doesn’t translate you aren’t even generating chances.

Johnny was in his funk where he was snake bitten on breakaways, mostly because he only tried to deke and tuck it fivehole. He seems to be shooting more and even scored a snipe on Montreal on a breakaway not too long ago.

This made up storyline that Johnny can’t succeed in the playoffs cause he is too small is just that, made up.

You don’t generate offence if you don’t have it in you so if you want to ridicule him it was lack of finish but don’t pretend like he is completely invisible out there and can’t do anything creatively when the playoffs start.

Cmon man, Johnny Gaudreau had 1 assist in that entire series. No eye test can excuse those numbers.

I also never mentioned his size, but now that you've brought it up you can't say it doesn't play a part in his inability to gain open ice in tight checking, leading to forced plays and constant turnovers. Which is really what most people remember from that series.

He had a good series against a injury riddled Winnipeg Jets team though, I'll give you that.

Love Johnny, but time to be honest.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

100% this. But JG doesn't like to fly? Do tell...

Monahan too

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/flames-...flying/sn-amp/

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

Cmon man, Johnny Gaudreau had 1 assist in that entire series. No eye test can excuse those numbers.

I also never mentioned his size, but now that you've brought it up you can't say it doesn't play a part in his inability to gain open ice in tight checking, leading to forced plays and constant turnovers. Which is really what most people remember from that series.

He had a good series against a injury riddled Winnipeg Jets team though, I'll give you that.

Love Johnny, but time to be honest.

Like I said a lack of execution...

I’m not excusing it because he still failed to actually produce goals for himself and the team but I still think you aren’t being fair in your assessment..

To say his game doesn’t translate to playoff hockey is what I am challenging because he was still generating offensive chances.

If your game doesn’t translate you would not be getting breakaways and penalty shots.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It is so crystal clear the key situation that needs to be settled this summer is Gaudreau he absolutely needs to be either extended or traded. Considering the organization has disappointed and failed to take a meaningful step forward through the first 5 years of Gaudreau’s contract I think the writing is on the wall.

How can the organization justify giving the player a raise and committing long term when they have failed to do anything other than win the division once in the first 7 years of Johnny’s career where he basically became the franchise player from his rookie season onward.

How can the player look at how the team has performed through his first 7 years in the league and decide this is where he wants to continue to play and chase a cup. We all know Johnny is from the north east USA, we know he is engaged to a girl from Philly, we know he doesn’t like to fly. He has many choices on where he can play but his fiancé is in Philly which is his hometown and also where his best buddy from college plays on a long term deal.

The Flames absolutely cannot enter next season with Johnny on the team and him remaining a pending UFA.

I could see a scenario where the Flames turnover this group by trading Gaudreau and Monahan and losing Gio to Seattle.

This is all accurate. I absolutely thought that Gaudreau would sign in Calgary when we were all worried about the college loophole. And I absolutely think he’s not going to re-sign in Calgary after this contract. Why would he? IMO the only reason would be if they had a chance to win. This season was the nail in the coffin.

We should be expecting that he’s gone, and I personally don’t hold any hard feelings towards him about that.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Gaudreau - Lindhlom - Tkachuk is CGY version of Marchand - Bergeron - Pasternak.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Gaudreau - Lindhlom - Tkachuk is CGY version of Marchand - Bergeron - Pasternak.

Which of the Boston trio can’t skate well?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Gaudreau - Lindhlom - Tkachuk is CGY version of Marchand - Bergeron - Pasternak.

I wish Tkachuk was a Pastrnak.

He can be someone else pretty good, but sadly is no Pastrnak.

The other two I do see resemblances in though, with a bit of squinting.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I wish Tkachuk was a Pastrnak.

He can be someone else pretty good, but sadly is no Pastrnak.

The other two I do see resemblances in though, with a bit of squinting.

Marchand is on the small side, so I guess. But he’s got more raw speed, and is more physical. Bergeron maybe doesn’t have the shot of Lindholm, but he’s probably a tad faster and more creative. A step up defensively though Lindy ain’t bad. It’s the closest of the bunch.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I wish Tkachuk was a Pastrnak.

He can be someone else pretty good, but sadly is no Pastrnak.

The other two I do see resemblances in though, with a bit of squinting.

Marchand : Tkachuk
Pastrnak : Gaudreau
Bergeron: Lindholm

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Marchand : Tkachuk
Pastrnak : Gaudreau
Bergeron: Lindholm

Other than being agitators after the whistle, Marchand and Tkachuk play nothing alike. Pasternak-Gaudreau is maybe closer, because both are quick and shifty, though Pasta is better defensively and goes to the net more.

[Dajazz]

Kill me for saying Tkachuk, but that QO combined with our cap situation is a time bomb unless he can become and surpass the player he was two years ago.

He’ll also fetch a king’s ransom from for example Ottawa and would probably fit right in to their plans, on top of the whole brother thing.

I’d love to keep him, but with Johnny, Mangiapane and Dube all as lefties is he redundant? Pelletier will get a good look too.

Probably the player I least want traded, but makes some sense.

Everything is different if Gio and/or Lucic is gone though.

[NewFan]

If the team wants just a small change or retool, the main goal should be to find good C with a potential to become 1st line C. So every player can be traded to get that C.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I wonder how much Ottawa would pay to keep Mathew out of Toronto? I mean, the answer is probably nothing, or at least next to nothing, but I bet they would hate Mathew in Toronto.


I am already eagerly anticipating the thousands of rumours that is going to start swirling around this team this off-season, including the front office, some of the assistant coaches and of course the players.



Hmm.. maybe the Flames should hire someone like Davidson to analyze this team and help figure out what moves should be made?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Gaudreau - Lindhlom - Tkachuk is CGY version of Marchand - Bergeron - Pasternak.

That’s certainly what we wish they were.

Alas.