Treliving on the Fan

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Seems to have been the issue all along. Came up even with Hamilton.

I’m done with the group. I will happily see anybody on this team traded away to shake up the roster. First time in my life as a Flames fan I’ve been open to just trading anyone. Absolutely anyone. They know who the problems are, trade them away.

Agreed. Addition by subtraction moving out whoever has caused this.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

I agree that this is a chemistry issue - major dressing room problems is my guess.

Maybe it was the trade request, maybe it was the incident with Tkachuk after his temper-tantrum that first Toronto game when no one had his back, maybe its something else.

But IMO when the entire team falls off a cliff like this, it's because they aren't a team and have some major issues internally.

Or maybe this is just the result of the team making the playoffs 2 years straight for the first time, and they are too tired to bother trying again.

Yeah that one is also a possibility too.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by cali panthers fan

lol, i read it in this voice. Was that right?

NSFW!

Yup!

[Monahammer]

I always thought that the team was making a horrible decision trading the Museum walker away instead of trying to bludgeon the others more into that mold or tossing them out the back.

More museum going athletes who take their profession seriously. Less people who like to hang out at Cowboys every night.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I always thought that the team was making a horrible decision trading the Museum walker away instead of trying to bludgeon the others more into that mold or tossing them out the back.

More museum going athletes who take their profession seriously. Less people who like to hang out at Cowboys every night.

Amen to that

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I always thought that the team was making a horrible decision trading the Museum walker away instead of trying to bludgeon the others more into that mold or tossing them out the back.

More museum going athletes who take their profession seriously. Less people who like to hang out at Cowboys every night.

That's when they knew they had us and the Country Club 2.0 was set. They got to pick their drinking buddies and the Coaching Staff. Brilliant.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I always thought that the team was making a horrible decision trading the Museum walker away instead of trying to bludgeon the others more into that mold or tossing them out the back.

More museum going athletes who take their profession seriously. Less people who like to hang out at Cowboys every night.

The museum narrative was just a weird example that John Shannon came up with, wasn't it?

I believe the story that came out after and was mentioned by many is that Dougie simply didn't seem to care if the team lost. He also famously skipped out on the end of season meeting with management, and had some weird demands regarding the team bringing Freddie Hamilton along.

Now a player that doesn't hate to lose can certainly still help you win, but how much he liked hanging out with the team off-ice seems like a weird narrative that got legs because it was meme-worthy essentially.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by AC

The museum narrative was just a weird example that John Shannon came up with, wasn't it?

I believe the story that came out after and was mentioned by many is that Dougie simply didn't seem to care if the team lost. He also famously skipped out on the end of season meeting with management, and had some weird demands regarding the team bringing Freddie Hamilton along.

Now a player that doesn't hate to lose can certainly still help you win, but how much he liked hanging out with the team off-ice seems like a weird narrative that got legs because it was meme-worthy essentially.

Given the playoff success that he has experienced in Carolina and what has happened in Calgary it makes you question the "Dougie did not hate to lose, unlike his other Calgary teammates".

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yeah, it is funny how perceptions are formed: playoff beast Sam Bennett over his career has -2 points and +3 EVS points in 30 playoff games than utterly useless playoff-performer Sean Monahan.

Well, doesn't this just confirm that "18 Year Old Playoff Sam Bennett" is a thing, then?


Makes less than half that Monahan makes as a cap hit. Less ice time. Less talented line mates to help him score. Less opportunity. Yet he produces at around the same level?



So are you trying to show that Bennett isn't very good in the playoffs, or that Monahan is terrible?


FWIW, I love Monahan still. Terrible year. Not sure about his injuries, but the entire team can't score right now. I am disappointed by his production in the playoffs for the most part, but I personally think that sometimes players take a lot of reps in the playoffs to perform. History shows a lot of these types - even franchise HHOF types like Datsyuk that took a while to 'figure it out' in the playoffs.


However, "18 Year Old Playoff Sam Bennett Moustache and Beard" is a thing that we should celebrate. One of the consistent bright spots in almost every playoffs series so far. His play, Brodie's play, and Monahan-Gaudreau on the PP - usually very effective, and some of the best moments in the playoffs. It is ok not to like Bennett, and wish he was traded or just claimed in the upcoming expansion draft, but there is no possible way you can deny that Bennett isn't an effective playoff performer, and having his stats so close to Monahan only makes him look even better IMO.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Given the playoff success that he has experienced in Carolina and what has happened in Calgary it makes you question the "Dougie did not hate to lose, unlike his other Calgary teammates".

Yeah maybe. He was still a young player and who knows how he has changed. One thing that was undeniable even when he was here is that he has unbelievable physical gifts and the situation with his brother just seemed like a bad idea from the outset which then ended poorly.

Whatever happened with him, he has become an important player to Carolina it seems.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yeah, it is funny how perceptions are formed: playoff beast Sam Bennett over his career has -2 points and +3 EVS points in 30 playoff games than utterly useless playoff-performer Sean Monahan.

Yes that's true. However, lets look at last year's playoff stats in terms of points per 60 minutes played. Bennett produced quite a bit more. But Monahan was actually 2nd on the team.

1. Sam Bennett: 3.137
2. Sean Monahan: 2.629
3. Milan Lucic: 2.368
4. Johnny Gaudreau: 2.304
5. Dillon Dube: 1.987
6. Mikael Backlund: 1.859
7. Andrew Mangiapane: 1.850
8. Elias Lindholm: 1.758

In 2019, Bennett did even better:

1. Sam Bennett: 4.533
2. Matthew Tkachuk: 2.052
3. Rasmus Andersson: 1.933
4. Mikael Backlund: 1.795
5. Jusso Valimaki: 1.788
6. Sean Monahan: 1.316
7. Elias Lindholm: 1.250
8. Andrew Mangiapane: 1.096

Monahan produced more than Gaudreau and Lindholm during both years. But Bennett was way better than anyone else on the team. He also led for PP per 60 and even strength per 60 in both years.
Monahan and Gaudreau were bad in 2019, but improved quite a bit. Bennett also led the team in points per 60 minutes during the 2017 playoffs (other that Versteeg, who is gone).

To those who are blaming Treliving for not trading Bennett during the off season, why would he trade the one proven playoff performer? How would that help the team get past round 1?