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djsFlames · 03-13-2021, 08:39 PM

I felt like I worded that poorly lol.. buy in based on two games!..

But they were a damn good two games. And given where they came from just days ago, that's some Midas Touch miracle work from Sutter. Which makes you wonder what he can accomplish with more time with this group.

Joborule · 03-13-2021, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacks

Just looking at the ice time stats.
Hanifin and Tanev with the most time.
Backlund, Lucic and Bennet with the most forward time.
Tkachuck right at the bottom.
Interesting.

Actually looking at the stats, Tkachuk is in the middle, and above Lucic and Bennett in ice. So not sure where you're seeing he's at the bottom?

GranteedEV · 03-13-2021, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yes.

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Per natural stat trick

Here is a list of all games the last two seasons where the Flames posted (score-and-venue adjusted)

1) A 5v5 CF% over 60%
2) A 5v5 xGF% over 60%

Geoff Ward (76 Flames games coached)
2020-01-18 - Flames 2, Senators 5
2020-02-23 - Flames 4, Red Wings 2

That is two beatdowns of some last place teams. And we lost one of them actually.

Darryl Sutter (2 Flames games coached)
2021-03-11 - Canadiens 1, Flames 2
2021-03-13 - Canadiens 1, Flames 3

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dino7c · 03-13-2021, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Joborule

This is not directly to you, but moreso the "told you so" posts

Who cares? Ward is the past.

We got a legit coach finally in Sutter. Think present and the future. This is just step 1 (or 2 including goalie) of work needed to be cup contenders.

Not to mention its two games...Peters had the team 2nd overall and they still mailed in the playoffs

Great start but save the I told you so's for making the playoffs/winning rounds

csnarpy · 03-13-2021, 08:44 PM

So, um..., how'd the team do tonight? Pretty damn good, imo, nice to see the 5v5 goals. The urgency and commitment in play completely stands out. Let's hope it keeps going!

(So, maybe take the Sutter talk or "who said what about the coach" to the Sutter post....)

shadowlord · 03-13-2021, 08:45 PM

I define a perfect night as:

Calgary = WIN
Edmonton = LOSS
Vancouver = LOSS

Unfortunately, Edmonton is playing Vancouver now, so they can't both lose... but with our 2 wins against Montreal, I'm still pretty happy.

Jacks · 03-13-2021, 08:45 PM

Yeesh, I butchered the spelling of names there. The icetime was overall really balanced.

Edit: Removed stats, those times don't add up.

Jiri Hrdina · 03-13-2021, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jayswin

I don't mean any offence to the CP crew that has continually mentioned that coaching is overrated and that if they don't succeed under budget coaches they won't succeed under anyone, but that is so wrong.

This is what real coaching does. It takes a roster and makes it better than the sum of it's parts. I strongly feel that the anti-'try an elite coach' brigade was actually posters upset that this roster wasn't giving it it's all under crappy coaches. Almost bitter in wanting them to fail rather than see them succeed under proper guidance.

I'm someone that has said the roster deserves more of the blame and coaches get too much of it.
That doesn't mean I've EVER wanted this roster to fail. In fact I would be happy to be wrong because ultimately what i want is for this team to succeed. That's what I care about. I really don't care how often I'm right or wrong. I'm a fan on a forum with opinions. What I care about is seeing my team win a championship. So I hope I am wrong about the role of coaching because that will mean this team have a sustained turnaround under Sutter. From my point of view that would be wonderful. But I need to see it beyond 2 games. I need to see consistency. I need to see performance in big games. I need to see sustained commitment to doing what's required. I need to see it in the playoffs.

But when we start to make divisive comments like the above that suggest because someone has a different view it could mean they are bitter and 'want the team to fail' I don't see how that leads to good discussion on this board.

And as a reminder, I wanted Ward fired.

Jiri Hrdina · 03-13-2021, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Red

Dont feel bad. Some of these people have been preaching their nonsense since GG days. Clueless and yet acting like smartest guys in the room. A wake up call for them.

Again someone can have a different view - that doesn't make them "clueless".

timbit · 03-13-2021, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacks

Yeesh, I butchered the spelling of names there. The icetime was overall really balanced.

Player TOI
Noah Hanifin 17.733
Christopher Tanev 17.316
Mark Giordano 16.566
Rasmus Andersson 16.45
Oliver Kylington 16.033
Juuso Valimaki 14.916
Mikael Backlund 13.983
Milan Lucic 13.2
Sam Bennett 13.05
Derek Ryan 12.833
Dillon Dube 12.833
Andrew Mangiapane 12.75
Johnny Gaudreau 12.483
Sean Monahan 11.983
Brett Ritchie 11.6
Josh Leivo 11.566
Elias Lindholm 11.316
Matthew Tkachuk 10.966

Those are way off compared to NHL time on ice.

Are you excluding special teams ice time?

Jacks · 03-13-2021, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Joborule

Actually looking at the stats, Tkachuk is in the middle, and above Lucic and Bennett in ice. So not sure where you're seeing he's at the bottom?

I was looking at naturalstattrick but it must not be correct.

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Originally Posted by timbit

Those are way off compared to NHL time on ice.

Are you excluding special team ice time?

Ya not sure, must have just been 5v5 times or something.

JohnnyB · 03-13-2021, 08:50 PM

The team has played with a different character for two games. It's only two games, but it's worth feeling good about. It's all out of our hands anyways. Might as well enjoy the renewed sense of hope and optimism that these two games under Sutter has created.

The next 4 games will be big. Two against the Oilers and two against the Leafs. These are games where we will see a better test of how quickly and dramatically their character is adapting under Sutter, and of how big a difference Sutter's in-game coaching and adaptations make when facing adversity.

csnarpy · 03-13-2021, 08:50 PM

nm

DeluxeMoustache · 03-13-2021, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by taxbuster

Yup - he still looks a little lost out there. I'm sure he'll figure it out - and if he doesn't he won't be playing too much until he does.

Good thing is that Sutter holds the guys who are supposed to be the best players to a high standard

topfiverecords · 03-13-2021, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I will be extremely annoyed and obnoxious if Kylington is a healthy scratch on Monday.

If so, you’ll cheer up quick once you start watching Puljujarvi play.

megatron · 03-13-2021, 08:52 PM

Great game! I haven't watched many this season, but seeing them play faster, not collapse every time in their zone and actually attack is refreshing.

There haven't been many things to cheer about this year, other than Markstrom, but it's great seeing the team turn it around. Hopefully they can continue it for the rest of the season.

VilleN · 03-13-2021, 08:52 PM

I know it is only two games. And I know this core has been unable to play well for sustained periods of time. This feels, and looks different though. The tenacity, the pace they play with... even watching Monahan carry the puck a few times... it all seems very different from what we've seen before. Obviously we need to keep it up for a sustained period before we make any proclamations... but I gotta say, I don't think I've seen this team play the way they played these last two games, specifically this last game.

Jiri Hrdina · 03-13-2021, 08:54 PM

When Wards ripped of a 7 game winning streak (I think it was 7) it was great but it seemed more smoke and mirrors. These two games were impressive because the Flames absolutely deserved them, started strong and played complete games. I would say the score flattered the Habs in both outings.

On the other side - man Montreal looks like a mess. Who showed up tonight? Petry, Gallagher, Weber?

djsFlames · 03-13-2021, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Deegee

I can't wait until we jump the Oilers in the standings. Screw those guys.

Pretenders, like always. 7/7 vs Ottawa does not put them on a different tier, micro/macro, whatever.

tvp2003 · 03-13-2021, 08:54 PM

Flames just dominated the first, and didn’t let them push back in the second. Missed the third but if the shots were any indication (9-8 Montreal), we did a reasonable job of locking it down. Watching the highlights Markstrom had a huge save there to keep it 3-1.

Oh, and courtesy of Sammy Hudes:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1370920216562049027