[PGT] Flames squander another crucial one. 5-3 VGK

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by zamler

Yes they would seen it many times, coach goes with players that are feeling it. I swear some of you don't watch hockey at all just sit around thinking of ways to defend failure.

Some of you want to criticize standard coaching decisions and make them out to be asinine. I can imagine what you’d have said if Ward actually did that.

How many times has Monahan scored when everyone said he’d been invisible all game? Maybe Ward has seen that movie before as well.

I like Dube and Lucic, but only Jankowski and Rinaldo have less goals, among the forwards available to Ward. If Rinaldo has scored, you’d put him out?

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

That’s way too pessimistic view. This is an inexperienced core that has plenty of learning and experience that can be gained. The Flames aren’t in the spot we’d like them to be but do ignore they’ve probably started to play their best in the past two weeks down the stretch vs what happened last year is selling them short,

Let me just say first that this loss isn't that big of a deal in grand scheme. Flames have had a good stretch of games of late, and just need to the sustain the rate they are on currently. There's gonna be some tight losses, but Flames still control their destiny.

As for the bold. How much more experience does this core need until they are not considered inexperience anymore? They've been around for several years, majority entering, within, or post their peak phase, and have been in the playoffs two times as a group as a whole, and three for some others in this 'build' phase.

This is not an inexperience core anymore. They have experience. They've just haven't gotten far.

[Jason14h]

We didn’t play great , but showed some fight to come back from 3-0.

That goal can not go in . Teams play different when they don’t have confidence in their goalie.

As much as we can pile on any players , this teams issue is not having a number 1 goalie in a decade

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Loled at "lobsided"

I mean, the eye test, every possible statistic simple or advanced indicate that the flames were handled pretty damn easily by a faster, stronger, generally better squad.

[JohnnyB]

Watched the last 5 minutes and the goal highlights. Brutal way to lose on that deflection. Totally deflating after such a beautiful tying goal. Combined with the Backlund no-goal, it's a painful outcome.

I will say though, I loved the Lucic goal. He is like a new player compared to the start of the year. He's committed to the team and filling his role well and with character.

[Mass_nerder]

It kills me that they can't just start strong.
All the comebacks prove that they can hang with the better teams in the league, but the effort is just so inconsistent.
Like, effort game to game, but even period to period.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Robo

I absolutely hate ward as a coach he is unbelievably bad at game management why were Monahan and lindholm out with the goalie pulled our 2 most useless players all game are just going to find it in the last minute and work magic his coaching makes my head hurt.

Not picking on you, but didn’t people bitch in the Tampa game because Monahan and Lindholm were not on the ice at the end?

[zamler]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If Rinaldo has scored, you’d put him out?

Maybe, I sure as heck wouldn't put Monahan out he was in lazy I don't give a #### mode. Lucic had a strong game no issues if he is out to close out the 3rd the guy was hustling.

[Yobbo]

That was a really heart breaking loss. We needed this game, and to lose in the last 2 minutes after clawing back is so demoralizing. Games just got even more important from here on out.

[bubbsy]

Poor coaching, I mean we should be used to that by now by an assistant at the helm. My issue isn't with what transpired with the empty net, it's basically every decision and step taken after the game tying goal was scored.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Flames are a weak team.

It's funny how folks here think the flames are even in the stratosphere as the knights. A playoff series would be more lobsided than the avs series.

I realize that the flames d were a man down but man they looked terrible. Giordano, Brodie, forbort were fugly.

Are the Knights in the same stratosphere as the Jets since they got shut out by the Jets? Asking for a friend.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jagermeister

I don't understand what's confusing. Ward would sit our top goal scorers with the net empty. I witnessed it a few games ago in TB.

Monahan literally was the goal scorer with the net empty (2 goals down). Then they had over two minutes left, so, yeah, he didn’t play those guys for the full rest of the game.

[djsFlames]

Are you guys following these same narratives you're going on after wins?

Or do you disappear and wait for a loss to pounce? Or do you just flip a switch and pretend everything is hunky dory, and kinda live and die by the results on the scoreboard?

I'm confused as to whether the Flames are a weak ass team that will get dominated in any series or not. Because that seems to come and go?..

Might need to start a wall of shame to keep tabs on these posters that keep writing off the team completely after every loss. But also to shame them.

[taxbuster]

I *still* can't get over the fact that Ward didn't change goalies after the first two goals. Rittich did decently for most of the rest of the game but never looked comfortable. He was twitchy, swimming in his net a few times, lost the puck a few times...just not a great performance (also not the cause of the loss, but part of the symptoms). I get that the coaches wanted him to play, but doing so and then not hooking him just seems...pointless.

Which is how the Flames came out of this game.

And why does it take them SO long to get engaged in a difficult game?

[Hackey]

Tough loss.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

It kills me that they can't just start strong.
All the comebacks prove that they can hang with the better teams in the league, but the effort is just so inconsistent.
Like, effort game to game, but even period to period.

I actually think the opposite. When all things are even, this team kinda sucks. They can look better when other teams rake their foot off the gas and are already thinking about leaving the rink.

This team can't start on time and/or will stop playing for entire periods or just don't know how to manage the last few minutes of a game.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

It kills me that they can't just start strong.
All the comebacks prove that they can hang with the better teams in the league, but the effort is just so inconsistent.
Like, effort game to game, but even period to period.

This is why yes, the players do have share of the blame, but this mostly lands on the coaching staff. They're not doing a good enough job preparing the players for the start of the games.

I would say it's mostly on the players if this team didn't have the ability to pull of the comebacks that they've had plenty of this season. But because of those, it indicates to me that this team talent wise is actually alright, and it's more so coaching that's hindering this team.

Now with that said, the roster still needs improvement. But I definitely think it could be having better starts, and overall better sustained play through the whole game as a whole with better quality coaching.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Are the Knights in the same stratosphere as the Jets since they got shut out by the Jets? Asking for a friend.

When the chips are down and you need to get the W I'd take the jets winning over the knights more than the flames any day.

Knight's have had their way with the flames since inception other than the garbage time game where jankowski scored 4.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Joborule

This is why yes, the players do have share of the blame, but this mostly lands on the coaching staff. They're not doing a good enough job preparing the players for the start of the games.

I would say it's mostly on the players if this team didn't have the ability to pull of the comebacks that they've had plenty of this season. But because of those, it indicates to me that this team talent wise is actually alright, and it's more so coaching that's hindering this team.

Now with that said, the roster still needs improvement. But I definitely think it could be having better starts, and overall better sustained play through the whole game as a whole with better quality coaching.

The players, at some point, need to take accountability for their own preparation and effort level.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

When the chips are down and you need to get the W I'd take the jets winning over the knights more than the flames any day.

Knight's have had their way with the flames since inception other than the garbage time game where jankowski scored 4.

And the two other games the Flames won handily. But, sure, they’ve won a lot more.

I thought they were about one goal better tonight - not way way better. So the team deserved the loss but it wasn’t by a huge margin imo.