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[Dion]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Gillies both last season and in China showed he has lapses but then bounces back and holds the fort the rest of the way.

Not ideal, but it's better than what Rittich has shown us since pre-Smith injury.

I'm beginning to wonder if Jeff Glass was brought in on a PTO for a reason. What if Gillies and Rittich aren't ready.

[Toonage]

Absolutely Glass was brought in to push the other goalies in camp but if the season starts and Glass is our backup, things have gone horribly wrong.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, no. Rittich has not "completely blown it." He had a bad first game of the pre-season, which is something that happens often with NHL goalies. He still has two weeks to prove that he belongs. Tonight's game and the outcome doesn't mean much, especially for a returning vet like him.

No, I stand by what I said. Rittich had an opportunity and completely blew it. Is it an indictment of his future? No. Can be overcome it? Of course. But I’m certain Rittich himself wanted a better result. Don’t try and sugar coat it.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Gillies both last season and in China showed he has lapses but then bounces back and holds the fort the rest of the way. .

eh, a bit revisionist. Gillies' lapses are usually goals that should never go in, and then he makes routine saves because we sheltered him more. Can you name one game Gillies played last season against a remotely dangerous team? I can think of only one - @ Pittsburgh where he cost us the W.

Likewise, Gio, Brodie, Hamonic, Hanifin, Backlund and co really locked it down in game. I liked how Kylington, Dube, Quine, and Valimaki played tonight for the most part but the team hardly locked it down overall. I mean the idiotic instigator penalty by Shaw speaks for itself.

Don't get me wrong, I have faith in both Gillies and Rittich to make a save if they have to, but this narrative about Gillies bouncing back from a lapse is a bit contrived.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Man, Rittich has the chance to grab the bull by the horns and completely blows it. I’m guessing he was left behind in Calgary to be “the guy” and prove he was the #2. Oh well, at least we’ve got other options.

If your going to judge a player off one preseason game then Brossoit just supplanted Hellebuyck as the starter in Winnipeg, made 39/40 saves.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No, we should tell him to forget this one and play him again next game.



You don't give up on a goalie after one pre-season game. Especially a guy that played in the NHL last year.



People need to relax.

Agree, but I feel since Gillies was brought to China he has the early inside track.

Originally Posted by Rejean31

Quit losing to this assclown of a franchise!!!

We just beat them twice last week. Calm down.

[Dion]

From HF Oilers:

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

No, I stand by what I said. Rittich had an opportunity and completely blew it. Is it an indictment of his future? No. Can be overcome it? Of course. But I’m certain Rittich himself wanted a better result. Don’t try and sugar coat it.

Have some perspective. It was his first exhibition game of the season. No reason to panic.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I mean, I'm not going to draw any conclusions from preseason games... but maybe it is finally approaching time for us to move on from Sigalet? He's got the reverse Midas touch.. Hiller... Johnson... Elliott... the more time spent with him the worse our goalies have tended to get.

I can't think of a single goaltender who has improved under his tutelage, and most of the goaltenders we've had since he took the position have had their career worst seasons under his guidance (with pre-injury Smith being the only possible exception). There seems to be a systemic thing about always going down early, no matter what the situation on the ice is.
Frankly, I was shocked they retained him when they purged the rest of the coaching staff, I've been calling for his ouster for two years for ruining every goaltender who comes to town (not that the Flames' management have any reason to listen to me).

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Dion

Have some perspective. It was his first exhibition game of the season. No reason to panic.

Huh? I specifically said it was on game and wasn’t an indictment of his future.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

If your going to judge a player off one preseason game then Brossoit just supplanted Hellebuyck as the starter in Winnipeg, made 39/40 saves.

Good grief, AGAIN, I specifically said this game was bad but not an indictment on his future.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Dion

From HF Oilers:

All sorts wrong with those two posts, but par for the course up there... but after proudly selecting McDavid as first star in the last game of the year, the retirement game for the Sedins, Oiler fans should (but won't) keep their traps shut about 3 stars for the next decade.

[browna]

And fact is, Rittich has to look a fair bit better, more confident etc etc this year, after the more or less failure that both he and Gillies had when Smith went down in NY. Without that controlled handling of their game selection, they looked a lot more shaky from the first game they got thrown into thr fire.

Treliving won't hesitate to make the change from either of them if they don't appear fully confident or ready in the backup role in the upcoming weeks or months.

Not a great start for both in that regard to show that they've shooken that as our experience off, but plenty of preseason action for both of them this next week and a half or so to prove themselves and maybe build themselves back up.

[TheRealPepman]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I mean, I'm not going to draw any conclusions from preseason games... but maybe it is finally approaching time for us to move on from Sigalet? He's got the reverse Midas touch.. Hiller... Johnson... Elliott... the more time spent with him the worse our goalies have tended to get.

This post makes me think that Smitty's 17-18 performance (pre-injury BTW) may have to do more with his talent and less with Sigs. Agree?

[Kybb79]

This team has depth and potential but Goaltending is suspect imo. A solid veteran backup would help.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I mean, I'm not going to draw any conclusions from preseason games... but maybe it is finally approaching time for us to move on from Sigalet? He's got the reverse Midas touch.. Hiller... Johnson... Elliott... the more time spent with him the worse our goalies have tended to get.

The two coaching staffs he's worked with here have walked the plank (goaltending did neither any favours) yet this guy manages to keep his job. What am I missing here? Why is his work not scrutinized more especially seeing how goaltenders seem to play worse under his influence? Really strange how this guy has managed to keep his job through two different coaching staffs when his position of teaching has been a weak link.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

This team has depth and potential but Goaltending is suspect imo. A solid veteran backup would help.

Probably why there were rumors that Treliving was kicking tires on goalies.

[bigrangy]

Which goal does everyone expect Rittich to have actually stopped?

The 4 on 2 rush?
The breakaway?
The PP one timer that was deflected?
The other breakaway after a long stretch pass?
The low slot one timer?
The 2 on 1 tap in after everyone had given up?

Can't keep blaming the goalie when the defense keeps giving up these grade A chances.

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Probably why there were rumors that Treliving was kicking tires on goalies.

Ya i was hoping he would bring one in and let Gillies and Parsons season for a year or two. I like Rittich but not sure if he is the answer.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by TheRealPepman

This post makes me think that Smitty's 17-18 performance (pre-injury BTW) may have to do more with his talent and less with Sigs. Agree?

A very seasoned goaltender like Smith, having ample experience with what has worked for him in the past, would be more likely to ignore what a goaltending coach is saying if the advice is contrary to the player's own experience.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The two coaching staffs he's worked with here have walked the plank (goaltending did neither any favours) yet this guy manages to keep his job. What am I missing here? Why is his work not scrutinized more especially seeing how goaltenders seem to play worse under his influence? Really strange how this guy has managed to keep his job through two different coaching staffs when his position of teaching has been a weak link.

Almost makes you think he has some dirt on someone in the organization that they don't want to be made public. I mean, they're always pumping his tires in public, talking about how he is one of the best and most progressive goaltending coaches in the game, but the results with several different coaching staffs and numerous goalies do not support these assertions.

Is it really that hard to let go of someone whose poor results speak for themselves? Maybe the Flames need to hire Anne Robinson so she can give him her iconic icy dismissal:

"Jordan Sigalet, you are the weakest link - goodbye".