[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I dont think there 1 chance in a million Dave Tippett is in Calgary next season or ever as long as BT is here.

Don Maloney was Trelivings mentor. Gave him his big break to get into the management side of the NHL...a very elite and small club. Maloney taught him and groomed him well enough that BT then got his own team. For that, BT will forever be loyal to Maloney and rightfully so.

So when Tippett made a power play for Maloneys job last year, IMO it completely sealed his fate to work with anyone in the Maloney management tree. A guy who had hired DT and kept him safe through some bad seasons as well as decent ones, and was stabbed in the back. Guys like that aren't usually welcomed back by those who were victimized.

At least this is how I understand what happened and if thats the case then DT will be no where near ths club at this point.

Could it be that Treliving has learned that when you hire a coach, first and foremost make sure he will never backstab you? And his actual coaching abilities are of less importance?

[Dajazz]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If anything the Gulutzan/Eakins experiments by the Alberta clubs have proven that this advanced stats based philosophical approach is an abysmal failure as at the end of the day your head coach needs to be a leader of men not a professor of hockey theory.

I agree.

Strong advanced metrics is a RESULT of good play, not the reason for... that is the logic many fail to understand.

[loob job]

Dom Ducharme?

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

I agree.

Strong advanced metrics is a RESULT of good play, not the reason for... that is the logic many fail to understand.

Just like the madman who found out that during the summer, the mercury in the thermometer is high. So in the winter he is trying to bring summer back by robbing the thermometer.

[kukkudo]

Honestly don't think Treliving goes off the board this time. Just brings in a household name Ruff, AV, Torts, Trotz, JQ, Sutter. If any of em get let go minus Sutter.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

I agree.

Strong advanced metrics is a RESULT of good play, not the reason for... that is the logic many fail to understand.

Yup.

It’s a tool that should be used more by your General Manager than your coach IMO.

[Toonage]

Finding an established coach with a winning pedigree certainly takes the guess work out of it. If the next coach gets the same results, you know where the problem lies and begin the next rebuild. Or retool, as is popular these days.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

After the Flames fired Hartley, I really wanted the Flames to go out and hire someone like Nate Leaman from Providence who had a history of winning. He built up two programs and turned them into champions.

However, Gulutzan was a relatively inexperienced head coach (relatively being the word here - hasn't had many years of NHL head coaching experience). I think where this team is now and how the last two years have gone, I really want an experienced veteran coach who has won.

Don't hire a 'new up and coming' or 'best coach not in the NHL' type. Flames have had bad luck with those - Don Hay, Greg Gilbert, etc., though they did hit gold with Bob Johnson (I was hoping Leaman was the next Johnson).

Also, don't hire someone like Boudreau - a coach with a great regular season win percentage, but who has always coached only good teams, but never won anything (or even had much success to speak of in the playoffs).

Hire a coach who is a veteran, has a decent track record for both good teams AND poor teams, and has won the cup (or at least, has gone far, like taking a poor team or two on a 'cinderella run'). Being a task-master who is unafraid to bench top players to send a message would be great.

Sounds like Darryl Sutter to me. I would be fine with that!!!

[Stanley]

Ugh...say no to AV

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If anything the Gulutzan/Eakins experiments by the Alberta clubs have proven that this advanced stats based philosophical approach is an abysmal failure as at the end of the day your head coach needs to be a leader of men not a professor of hockey theory.

While I think hockey managers and coaches can be over-reliant on analytics, I don't buy the notion that coaches have to be leaders of men rather than teachers.

Was Scotty Bowman a leader of men? No, he was a cold, manipulative, unlikeable student of the game. How about Ken Hitchcock, is he the kind of guy who young men follow into battle? Nope. He's just wicked smart when it comes to hockey. Mike Sullivan isn't exactly a passionate and inspirational guy behind the bench either.

I don't think GG's demeanour is the issue - it's his inflexibility and lack of ability to adapt to changing in-game situations.

[Stanley]

My fear is that Tre will perhaps try the Maurice/Winnipeg approach...be patient and hope for the turn around season under the same staff

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Stanley

My fear is that Tre will perhaps try the Maurice/Winnipeg approach...be patient and hope for the turn around season under the same staff

People seem to totally forget that Maurice won a Stanley Cup. He's not some dolt.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Stanley

Ugh...say no to AV, he's terrible

How so?

Since 2011

2 Eastern Conference Finals
1 Western Conference Final
2 Stanley Cup appearances

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Shazam

People seem to totally forget that Maurice won a Stanley Cup. He's not some dolt.

Maurice never won a cup.

[Shazam]

Oops, confused him with Laviolette. Ha ha, all you white guys look alike.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Stanley

My fear is that Tre will perhaps try the Maurice/Winnipeg approach...be patient and hope for the turn around season under the same staff

In my opinion Treliving sticking by his coach is the same as he admitting this season is his fault.

We have great goaltending, an elite top 4-5 D, and one of the top 5-10 shutdown centre’s in the league yet this team bleeds goals against.

To me this team has some great pieces but they are not being put together correctly. Hartleys system was frustrating when the team was pinned in their zone for minutes on end blocking shots but on the other side of the coin it was exciting to see odd man rushes for and stretch pass chances off the rush.

Elements of Hartley’s offensive system combined with an entirely new Dzone structure would be solid

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Stanley

Ugh...say no to AV

Out of all the coaches that may be available. AV is probably the biggest fish that the Flames can reel in this summer. I highly doubt Quenneville will be getting the axe this summer.

He has a proven track record and seems like a coach who rewards hard work but also can be a hardass when needed.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You can't hide from the fact that every head coach that has been fired from the Flames post Darryl Sutter has not worked again in the NHL as head coach. Playfair, Keenan, B. Sutter, Hartley. There's a very good chance Gulutzan never gets another head coach gig. You see plenty of coaches get fired only to resurface again as head coach for another team but never the guys that the Flames hire and fire. This organization has a history of hiring the wrong coach nearly every time.

Didn't he coach for NJD or am I mistaken?

[The Yen Man]

So Gulutzan's contract is up this year right? I really hope Treliving doesn't extend it. If so, then I question whether Treliving himself is the right GM for this team. Gulutzen and Cameron has just not worked out, and continuing to have them will just further waste the prime years of this team. Get them out and freaking hire an established coach.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by stang

Didn't he coach for NJD or am I mistaken?

That was before the Flames