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View Poll Results: Who do you want as the Flames' new coach
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Darryl Sutter
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27.59% |
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Alain Vigneault
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46.97% |
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Barry Trotz
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8.56% |
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Bill Peters
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3.69% |
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Lindy Ruff
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1.90% |
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Dallas Eakins
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Sheldon Keefe
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0.71% |
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Dave Tippett
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3.57% |
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Someone else...
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43 |
5.11% |
03-18-2018, 01:56 PM
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#101
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I don't think Gulutzan is a good coach, but part of the reason he became the coach IMO is because Calgary has a reputation for being impatient with coaches and most established coaches with other offers on the table, likely didn't want to coach the Flames partly for that reason.
It's too bad, because I think Gulutzan has to go, but I foresee another off-the-grid coach coming in, not one who has made a name for himself as an NHL head coach already.
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03-18-2018, 01:58 PM
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#102
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I don't think Gulutzan is a good coach, but part of the reason he became the coach IMO is because Calgary has a reputation for being impatient with coaches and most established coaches with other offers on the table, likely didn't want to coach the Flames partly for that reason.
It's too bad, because I think Gulutzan has to go, but I foresee another off-the-grid coach coming in, not one who has made a name for himself as an NHL head coach already.
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We’re not impatient with coaches, so I’m not sure where you’re drawing that reputation from.
Hartley - 4 years, 1 playoff appearance
B. Sutter - 3 years, 0 playoff appearances
That’s pathetic levels of success, yet an odd amount of patience with coaches.
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03-18-2018, 02:02 PM
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#103
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I don't think Gulutzan is a good coach, but part of the reason he became the coach IMO is because Calgary has a reputation for being impatient with coaches and most established coaches with other offers on the table, likely didn't want to coach the Flames partly for that reason.
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Does it really have that reputation? Because I haven't seen narrative outside of CP.
Again, Hartley was here for four seasons which is a decent run, Brent Sutter for three, which was the end of his contract.
When was the last time we had a midseason coaching change?
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03-18-2018, 02:03 PM
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#104
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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There's going to be a good experienced coach available this year. AV would be optimal, don't think Quenville goes anywhere unless he wants to.
We need a middle of the road guy similar to Laviolettte.
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03-18-2018, 03:23 PM
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#105
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: compton
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Originally Posted by dammage79
There's going to be a good experienced coach available this year. AV would be optimal, don't think Quenville goes anywhere unless he wants to.
We need a middle of the road guy similar to Laviolettte.
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Laviolette isn't a middle of the road coach. He's a top coach. He's won over 500 games in the league, a Stanley Cup and been to the finals three times with three different teams.
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03-18-2018, 03:25 PM
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#106
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by icecube
Laviolette isn't a middle of the road coach. He's a top coach. He's won over 500 games in the league, a Stanley Cup and been to the finals three times with three different teams.
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Let me clarify. Gulutzan and a guy like Bylsma, soft player coach. Hartley and Sutter, harsh task master milking everything they can out of you.
Lavioletter, kind of the best of both worlds.
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03-18-2018, 03:32 PM
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#107
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Lifetime Suspension
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I don't buy the Calgary is hard on coaches point of view. Its a typical symptom of a franchise that has not had a lot of success the in the last 20 years or so. They are not bad because they fire coaches, they fire coaches because they have been unsuccessful.
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03-18-2018, 03:32 PM
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#108
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Franchise Player
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Can we fire middle of this game?
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03-18-2018, 03:35 PM
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#109
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flamenspiel
I don't buy the Calgary is hard on coaches point of view. Its a typical symptom of a franchise that has not had a lot of success the in the last 20 years or so. They are not bad because they fire coaches, they fire coaches because they have been unsuccessful.
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You can't hide from the fact that every head coach that has been fired from the Flames post Darryl Sutter has not worked again in the NHL as head coach. Playfair, Keenan, B. Sutter, Hartley. There's a very good chance Gulutzan never gets another head coach gig. You see plenty of coaches get fired only to resurface again as head coach for another team but never the guys that the Flames hire and fire. This organization has a history of hiring the wrong coach nearly every time.
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03-18-2018, 03:38 PM
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#110
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
You can't hide from the fact that every head coach that has been fired from the Flames post Darryl Sutter has not worked again in the NHL as head coach. Playfair, Keenan, B. Sutter, Hartley. You see plenty of coaches get fired only to resurface again as head coach for another team but never the guys that the Flames hire and fire. There's a very good chance Gulutzan never gets another head coach gig. This organization has a history of hiring the wrong coach nearly every time.
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Build an Elite D corps on paper? check.
hiring the wrong coach for the build of the team? check
bumble through three years of your young core? check.
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03-18-2018, 03:41 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Despite having success with a poor roster, Hartley was shown the door because he was apparently hard on the players ... If you think the available coaches who are also 'hard on the players' didn't notice this ... you are dreaming. No one of that calibre is even sniffing at an open position in Calgary.
Team currently looks like a group of quitters that sacrifices its coaching staff every couple years or so. 
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03-18-2018, 03:44 PM
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#112
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
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Originally Posted by Corral
Despite having success with a poor roster, Hartley was shown the door because he was apparently hard on the players ... If you think the available coaches who are also 'hard on the players' didn't notice this ... you are dreaming. No one of that calibre is even sniffing at an open position in Calgary.
Team currently looks like a group of quitters that sacrifices its coaching staff every couple years or so. |
Lol. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
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03-18-2018, 03:46 PM
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#113
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First Line Centre
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Does anyone trust the brain trust of King, Burke and Treliving to build a winner? If so, why?
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03-18-2018, 03:48 PM
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#114
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
You can't hide from the fact that every head coach that has been fired from the Flames post Darryl Sutter has not worked again in the NHL as head coach. Playfair, Keenan, B. Sutter, Hartley. There's a very good chance Gulutzan never gets another head coach gig. You see plenty of coaches get fired only to resurface again as head coach for another team but never the guys that the Flames hire and fire. This organization has a history of hiring the wrong coach nearly every time.
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True, but at least with Keenan and Hartley they went out and got guys who had Stanley cups on their resumes, and its not a coincidence that those guys had some of the best seasons for the Flames since D. Sutter. Some guys do just know how to win.
The organization needs to stop looking for the value move, the developmental coach, or the diamond in the rough...just go get a legitimate proven coach, full stop. There's no point in assembling a decent young core of players and then putting a relatively inexperienced guy behind the bench.
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03-18-2018, 03:49 PM
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#115
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
You can't hide from the fact that every head coach that has been fired from the Flames post Darryl Sutter has not worked again in the NHL as head coach. Playfair, Keenan, B. Sutter, Hartley. There's a very good chance Gulutzan never gets another head coach gig. You see plenty of coaches get fired only to resurface again as head coach for another team but never the guys that the Flames hire and fire. This organization has a history of hiring the wrong coach nearly every time.
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It goes beyond that. I posted this in some PGT last week, but I believe of all the coaches/GMs since Badger/Fletcher only Darryl and risebrough got another job, and Risebrough probably had dead hooker photos of the Wild owner... Incredible incompetence in personnel selection.
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03-18-2018, 03:50 PM
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#116
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Saint Troy
Does anyone trust the brain trust of King, Burke and Treliving to build a winner? If so, why?
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Not that I think Treliving needs to be fired. I think he fought for some autonomy but it didn't happen.
That being said, it would not shock me with how this team has layed down in the stretch if a full wipe of managment and coaching isn't in the making.
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03-18-2018, 03:52 PM
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#117
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#1 Goaltender
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Just let it be an established coach. No more coaches who suck. That is all.
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03-18-2018, 03:54 PM
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#118
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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler
It goes beyond that. I posted this in some PGT last week, but I believe of all the coaches/GMs since Badger/Fletcher only Darryl and risebrough got another job, and Risebrough probably had dead hooker photos of the Wild owner... Incredible incompetence in personnel selection.
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Al Coates who I maintain was fired far too quickly, held several prominent front office jobs after leaving the Flames
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03-18-2018, 03:59 PM
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#119
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Powerplay Quarterback
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At this point I’d take Hartley back.
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03-18-2018, 04:02 PM
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#120
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Al Coates who I maintain was fired far too quickly, held several prominent front office jobs after leaving the Flames
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Thanks. But was it as GM? I didn't think so and was only counting "same job"...
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