We need to be careful where we go with this. We've seen that the mob can be pretty hasty when it comes to judging, shaming, and ostracizing people on the flimsiest of evidence or errors of judgement. There's something genuinely odious about social media shaming culture and the ugly impulses it gives free rein to.
And remember, if we tolerate extra-judicial bodies naming, firing, shaming, and excluding people who offend their moral beliefs, it means all kinds of groups with all kinds of different beliefs will exercise that power. You might think anyone accused of sexual harassment should be named, shamed, and fired. Someone else might think the same should be done to anyone who has been to prison. Or worked as a prostitute. Or cheated on a spouse.
Well yes power can be used wisely or abused, that kind of thing has been going on for forever.
It's just magnified because of the speed of communication these days, so rather than a town wrongly shunning someone because of world of mouth or an article in the local paper or a celebrity because of a Hollywood gossip magazine, a bigger audience hears about it faster.
But it's a power that you can't control or take away. You can make falsely accusing someone a crime, but you can't make believing a false accusation a crime.
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When I was around 15 my geography teacher, a quite pleasant guy with no reputation amongst the kids, kept me back after class (last class of the day) to discuss my test results, he sat at a 45 degree angle to me and very earnestly gave me a bollocking for not doing well on a mid term, with his hand on my knee, his hand then worked its way up my thigh towards my crotch, it took him a couple of small moves to get to way to close to my junk for my comfort.
I at that point made an excuse about my bus and legged it for the door, I was fairly sure I was getting groped and was freaking out, got home never mentioned it to anyone until years later. The teacher never said anything inappropriate that I can recall (granted I wasn't listening to him that much I was just thinking 'what the 'eff is he doing with his hand!').
To this day I have no idea what the hell was going on, nothing ever happened like it to anyone else that I was aware of, he never did anything like it again, he never mentioned it or treated me in any way differently after.
To this day I can interpret the whole thing either way, maybe he was a perv', maybe he didn't realise how close to the crown jewels his hand was straying, beats the hell out of me as to which, I could go to the cops and claim he was trying to sexually assault me and believe it sincerely and be completely wrong and he'd have no way of defending himself either.
I don't know how you go from being freaked out by someone getting way too close to your junk to not knowing if someone was way to close to your junk. The intent of the teacher is pretty irrelevant. Sexual integrity is defined by the entire situation...you were alone with a person in power who had no reason to touch you at all, much less knee to junk proximity touching. You felt freaked out by it. If those facts were proven I suspect there would be a charge whether you thought it was warranted or not. Teachers get busted all the time for touching shoulders, hair, arms. Volleyball coaches have been slapping asses for decades and the context there isn't even as charged as it is in your situation. I can't imagine a teaching situation where hand on a knee much less upper thigh would be tickity boo.
I don't know how you go from being freaked out by someone getting way too close to your junk to not knowing if someone was way to close to your junk. The intent of the teacher is pretty irrelevant. Sexual integrity is defined by the entire situation...you were alone with a person in power who had no reason to touch you at all, much less knee to junk proximity touching. You felt freaked out by it. If those facts were proven I suspect there would be a charge whether you thought it was warranted or not. Teachers get busted all the time for touching shoulders, hair, arms. Volleyball coaches have been slapping asses for decades and the context there isn't even as charged as it is in your situation. I can't imagine a teaching situation where hand on a knee much less upper thigh would be tickity boo.
Oh I was clear he was way to close to my junk, what I don't know is if he was trying to touch my junk, if he was testing my compliance, bear in mind we are talking 1976 when teachers were not worried about getting arrested, in fact I would get canned, slapped upside the back of the head or regularly kicked in the arse by teachers none of which would be kosher today.
Our deputy head master would routinely put his arm over a kids shoulder and lean in for a chat, no teacher would last 2 seconds doing that now.
Ha ha ha. You seriously need to get over yourself. If you don't like being the center of attention then stop being such a divisive person on these forums with your social commentaries.
Makes weird post about pepsifree. Pepsi free responds and he needs to get over his self and wants to be the Center of attention? You need to get over yourself.
Seems like you're angry at Pepsifree, for his "social commentaries" what's wrong? Hitting too close to home?
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Makes weird post about pepsifree. Pepsi free responds and he needs to get over his self and wants to be the Center of attention? You need to get over yourself.
Seems like you're angry at Pepsifree, for his "social commentaries" what's wrong? Hitting too close to home?
perhaps this has already been asked earlier, so forgive me, but I can't haelp but wonder why this kid was hanging around with adults at some type of party with no parent or guardian nearby?
is Hollywood that effed that kids are hanging with "random" adults? I go to watch my kid at hockey practice, and yeah sometimes I leave the rink to run errands - but if the coach wanted to hang out with him, I'd be asking some questions or saying yeah - the three of us can hang whenever......
I want to stress I am not blaming the kid - I am wondering why the kid was exposed to this situation - what is the parents role in this?
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I went out at night with my buddies at night all the time when I was 14. My parents may have thought they knew where I was and who I was with, but I often lied. Public transit can take you all over the city.
And in the case of Rapp, he was a young actor working in theatre, and first appeared in a Broadway show when he was 9 years old. So I don't find it hard to understand why he might be out on the town, maybe after auditions, hanging out with older actors who he worked with.
Edit: Looking at Rapp's wikipedia page, it seems his mom, a nurse, lived in Chicago, and he went to high school there. So he was likely staying in New York away from his family at the time. It also says he has a brother who's a writer and playwright. Rapp could have been staying with him. But I guess the point is that child entertainers don't live a normal life. They're away from their family a lot from a young age (Rapp was in a Hollywood movie at 15, presumably living independently).
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perhaps this has already been asked earlier, so forgive me, but I can't haelp but wonder why this kid was hanging around with adults at some type of party with no parent or guardian nearby?
is Hollywood that effed that kids are hanging with "random" adults? I go to watch my kid at hockey practice, and yeah sometimes I leave the rink to run errands - but if the coach wanted to hang out with him, I'd be asking some questions or saying yeah - the three of us can hang whenever......
I want to stress I am not blaming the kid - I am wondering why the kid was exposed to this situation - what is the parents role in this?
Hollywood culture I’m not sure, but we’re talking about theatre culture here which is entirely different. Would I blink an eye at a teenager at some sort of cast party? Absolutely not.
Then again, I also have been underage in similar situations and I wouldn’t classify my parents as poor.
perhaps this has already been asked earlier, so forgive me, but I can't haelp but wonder why this kid was hanging around with adults at some type of party with no parent or guardian nearby?
is Hollywood that effed that kids are hanging with "random" adults? I go to watch my kid at hockey practice, and yeah sometimes I leave the rink to run errands - but if the coach wanted to hang out with him, I'd be asking some questions or saying yeah - the three of us can hang whenever......
I want to stress I am not blaming the kid - I am wondering why the kid was exposed to this situation - what is the parents role in this?
Private lessons with a coach. Teacher one on ones. Rides to rinks. Room checks on the road. Even team parties where parents/coaches and kids are in the same house or what have you. Dressing rooms in general. When you think about there are lots of opportunities for this type of stuff to happen in most industries. I think it's more prevalent in entertainment (sports included) because there is the assumption that veteran members of the industry can help you or your kid move up and parents can become blinded by the success (or potential) no different than the kids.
Narrative aside this comes down to judging a person off their moral compass.
Many adults people don't need to wait for society to adjust the standard to know that praying and interacting with a 14 year old in a vulnerable situation like that is not right. Some people are able to think for themselves and understand the difference between what is in another's best intentions, and what is taking advantage.
So I would skip the conversation about what should and shouldn't be considered illegal and whether Spacey is a criminal or just a scumbag.
The root is ultimately the same thing, and Mr. Spacey deserves the floodgate of sewage being thrown at him for his actions (even when considering the era) and the reply.
Today's culture parents are everywhere. I felt guilty leaving my kid at football practice to run errands when he was in Pee wee, as most of the parents stayed as if it were a game. Today's parents seem almost over involved.
When I grew up there were no where to be found. And we didn't get dropped off, we rode our bike or walked. It was normal and no one thought twice.
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perhaps this has already been asked earlier, so forgive me, but I can't haelp but wonder why this kid was hanging around with adults at some type of party with no parent or guardian nearby?
is Hollywood that effed that kids are hanging with "random" adults? I go to watch my kid at hockey practice, and yeah sometimes I leave the rink to run errands - but if the coach wanted to hang out with him, I'd be asking some questions or saying yeah - the three of us can hang whenever......
I want to stress I am not blaming the kid - I am wondering why the kid was exposed to this situation - what is the parents role in this?
Yes Hollywood is that ####ed. Parents willingly hand their kids over to be abused because they either don't give a #### about their kid and are using them as a pay cheque or they are naive. Just look at some of the stuff that has been coming out against Dan Schneider at Nickelodeon. This will be one of the next big stories in the media. Specifically with Jamie Lynn Spears and Amanda Bynes.
Today's culture parents are everywhere. I felt guilty leaving my kid at football practice to run errands when he was in Pee wee, as most of the parents stayed as if it were a game. Today's parents seem almost over involved.
When I grew up there were no where to be found. And we didn't get dropped off, we rode our bike or walked. It was normal and no one thought twice.
This is the weird thing with coaching. When we practice, most parents just take off a few stick around. But at the end of practice we have parents that show up a half an hour after the end of practice, and as coaches we don't want to leave these kids alone to wait for their parent so a coach will stick around.
When we move to Shriners and our practices end at 9 and all the lights go out, its pitch black and the far end of town and still parents show up late.
And sometimes I'm sitting there as the lone coach waiting with a kid or two for their parents to show up and I'm thinking, that I'm putting myself in a bad spot but I can't leave the kid to his own devices to wait in a darkened field to wait for parents.
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If you look at Feldman's imdb listings he was still prevalent in movies and TV in 1993 when he started going public, after that a combination of probably Hollywood blacklistings and his drug problems really crushed his opportunities and he bounced from crap to crap, he went from being pretty much a teenage heart throb and a well paid at least B list actor right into the toilet.
Feldman was not blacklisted. He is a bad actor, and once he grew out of being a cool child/teenage actor, his films stopped selling. Even by 1993, he was done. His biggest role after that was reprising his role as the voice of Donatello in a crappy TMNT sequel. 1989's "Dream a Little Dream" was the last major theatre release Corey Feldman got, and it was a bomb.
The issue with Feldman now is that he clamours onto any social media or reality tv show in a desperate attempt to stay relevant. That combined with the cryptic way he is revealing this info makes his claims suspect. Instead of just naming the names now, he is providing the information in a way that will allow him to maximize his own exposure.
It's hard to tell if this is a conscious thing with Feldman, or just the only way he knows how to do things. Even on the Surreal Life, he needed to turn the series into his an awkward documentary about his wedding. The man is very bizarre.
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This is the weird thing with coaching. When we practice, most parents just take off a few stick around. But at the end of practice we have parents that show up a half an hour after the end of practice, and as coaches we don't want to leave these kids alone to wait for their parent so a coach will stick around.
When we move to Shriners and our practices end at 9 and all the lights go out, its pitch black and the far end of town and still parents show up late.
And sometimes I'm sitting there as the lone coach waiting with a kid or two for their parents to show up and I'm thinking, that I'm putting myself in a bad spot but I can't leave the kid to his own devices to wait in a darkened field to wait for parents.
Ya I can see how that would suck, I don't expect people to stay beyond the scheduled time.
The bolded is the sad reality we live in, and everytime one of these incidents pop up it makes it harder and harder for the good people to function. We do criminal records checks for all our volunteer stuff, we have a handbook full of rules for dealing with kids. Every innocent gesture is analysed or critiqued. Pretty soon people will just stop volunteering.
This is the weird thing with coaching. When we practice, most parents just take off a few stick around. But at the end of practice we have parents that show up a half an hour after the end of practice, and as coaches we don't want to leave these kids alone to wait for their parent so a coach will stick around.
When we move to Shriners and our practices end at 9 and all the lights go out, its pitch black and the far end of town and still parents show up late.
And sometimes I'm sitting there as the lone coach waiting with a kid or two for their parents to show up and I'm thinking, that I'm putting myself in a bad spot but I can't leave the kid to his own devices to wait in a darkened field to wait for parents.
That's crazy. I was late only once and that was in early June during a spring camp when we had a monsoon storm and they called practice early and I was maybe 15 minutes late. To be doing that all the time is kind of disrespectful to the coaches who are volunteering their time.
This is the weird thing with coaching. When we practice, most parents just take off a few stick around. But at the end of practice we have parents that show up a half an hour after the end of practice, and as coaches we don't want to leave these kids alone to wait for their parent so a coach will stick around.
When we move to Shriners and our practices end at 9 and all the lights go out, its pitch black and the far end of town and still parents show up late.
And sometimes I'm sitting there as the lone coach waiting with a kid or two for their parents to show up and I'm thinking, that I'm putting myself in a bad spot but I can't leave the kid to his own devices to wait in a darkened field to wait for parents.
What's the common excuse parents give you for being late?
That is brutal. One off's are okay but when its a trend? Come on people!
