Kevin Spacey accused of attempted rape by Anthony Rapp when he was 14

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Right on cue. I wasn't sure if you were an early riser but I was awaiting your post. First of all it appears that Spacey did make an advance but it didn't go any further so when you say "victim" let's not sensationalize this like he was raped or something. I've endured several unwanted advances from females over my lifetime and I expect many people have. It's part of life and ideally it doesn't happen but it does because humans are animals at the end of the day. I'm not blaming the victim of anything other than coming out with this far to late.

Um, well I wasn’t talking about you but thanks for being excited about when I wake up, weirdo.

And yes, he wasn’t raped, but he says Spacey laid down on top of him in bed, unwanted. That makes him a victim of sexual abuse.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Right on cue. I wasn't sure if you were an early riser but I was awaiting your post. First of all it appears that Spacey did make an advance but it didn't go any further so when you say "victim" let's not sensationalize this like he was raped or something. I've endured several unwanted advances from females over my lifetime and I expect many people have. It's part of life and ideally it doesn't happen but it does because humans are animals at the end of the day. I'm not blaming the victim of anything other than coming out with this far to late.

14. He was 14. Jesus Christ I can't believe you're serious.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

only thing that bugs me is the "shock and horror" people in Hollywood all of a sudden have. the rich and powerful in hollywood have been using that power as a tool to further their desires since Hollywood began.

This is what bugs me about this. This apparently happened before Spacey had any real measure of power or influence. Was it a one off that he regretted? Or was it something that was only further enabled by his rise in Hollywood? You’d hate it to be the latter.

Time will tell I suppose. For now I believe his explanation, but if more men like Rapp come forward then there will be little doubt.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Um, well I wasn’t talking about you but thanks for being excited about when I wake up, weirdo.

And yes, he wasn’t raped, but he says Spacey laid down on top of him in bed, unwanted. That makes him a victim of sexual abuse.

Umm yes you were talking about me since it was I that brought up him not remembering details. Nice try though.

Like I said you need to research on how our minds work. Im not saying the events didn’t happen but it was just too long ago to draw any conclusion. My goodness what ever happened to people being sensible instead of jumping off the deep end when people feel there are two sides to everything.

[Swift]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This is what bugs me about this. This apparently happened before Spacey had any real measure of power or influence. Was it a one off that he regretted? Or was it something that was only further enabled by his rise in Hollywood? You’d hate it to be the latter.

Time will tell I suppose. For now I believe his explanation, but if more men like Rapp come forward then there will be little doubt.

When the Weinstein news broke, a few posters on a forum I visit, posted about hoping Spacey would be next. Apparently quite a few similar stories about him out there over the years.

Again, Seth MacFarlane referenced it - https://youtu.be/TVIU7iEVl58

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Cameron Swift

When the Weinstein news broke, a few posters on a forum I visit, posted about hoping Spacey would be next. Apparently quite a few similar stories about him out there over the years.

Again, Seth MacFarlane referenced it - https://youtu.be/TVIU7iEVl58

Ya this isn't a one-off incident, which is probably why Rapp decided to come out with it now after Weinstein. He's probably hoping that being the focal point will allow others to come forward, which is pretty damn gutsy

[dre]

Corey Feldman talked about this a while ago. Now he plans on a documentary and will reveal names.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Ya this isn't a one-off incident, which is probably why Rapp decided to come out with it now after Weinstein. He's probably hoping that being the focal point will allow others to come forward, which is pretty damn gutsy

It’s gutsy but someone has to put themselves out there to try and make sure these people aren’t able to repeat. The damage has been done by the Einstein’s, Cosby’s and maybe Spacey’s in the business but hopefully newer victims will now have the courage to step forward so this culture of power and abuse in Hollywood can be brought down.

[Huntingwhale]

Honest question, but how likely (if the accusations are true) is this even to go to trial or get a conviction? What possible evidence could exist that a prosecutor would recommend a trial, let alone a criminal conviction? If Rapp is telling the truth, then it's brave of him to come forward. But I also look at this and see just how easy it is to ruin someone's life/reputation by simply making allegations against someone for something that happened over 3 decades ago. Rapp says it happened. Spacey is denying it. Seems to me like a case of he-said (s)he-said. They were alone when this apparently happened, so no witnesses.

Again if these allegation are true, Rapp deserves credit for coming forward. But Spacey also deserves the chance to tell his side of things. With Weinstein at least there were many corroborating stories and multiple witnesses. I'm not going to pretend to know about Spacey's personal life, but this is the first time I've ever heard of something like this about him. By all accounts, he's a stand up guy.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Before the Weinstein stuff broke, there was the Bryan Singer stuff that Kevin Spacey was allegedly part of. You can find posts on places like Reddit and other forums with stories of his from years ago. A lot of it was not just focused on the 'open secret' of him being gay but also very aggressive including against younger and straight men. It seems to be a case of "where there's smoke."

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

First of all it appears that Spacey did make an advance but it didn't go any further so when you say "victim" let's not sensationalize this like he was raped or something... I'm not blaming the victim of anything other than coming out with this far to late.

If you don't want to be looked at as blaming the victim, maybe you can at least not take issue with him being called a victim. The dude has lived 32 years in anger at Kevin Spacey trying to take advantage of him as a 14 year old boy.

[OMG!WTF!]

Rapp's lawyer already said there is no case to be had. Other than public opinion, there's not much of a case to be had.

Spacey has told his side of things going with the "I don't remember" defense and the "I'm sorry if I did" review.

I don't doubt Rapp's story at all and agree that he likely decided to name names because he isn't the only one.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by dre

Corey Feldman talked about this a while ago. Now he plans on a documentary and will reveal names.

Well once somone gives him $10 million he will name names....

[dre]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Well once somone gives him $10 million he will name names....

Him asking for 10 million is not what bothers me.

[CliffFletcher]

Strange that this seems to be attracting a lot more attention than the revelations David Bowie had intercourse with 14 and 15 year olds back in the day. Is it just the fact Bowie was a more revered artist, or people not wanting to speak ill of the deal?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Umm yes you were talking about me since it was I that brought up him not remembering details. Nice try though.

Like I said you need to research on how our minds work. Im not saying the events didn’t happen but it was just too long ago to draw any conclusion. My goodness what ever happened to people being sensible instead of jumping off the deep end when people feel there are two sides to everything.

I honestly hadn’t read your post, I skip over a lot of them (posts in general), I had read some of the buzzfeed comments (on the article) and others. Your take wasn’t original, it’s common, that’s why I mentioned it. You need to get a grip and stop obsessing over when I wake up, wondering where I am, and thinking everything I post has some connection to you, it’s beyond creepy and your need to make this a personal thing is distracting.

Regarding the point I’m going to assume you’re trying to make, I don’t think too many people are going off the deep end. I think it’s completely fair to take Rapp’s story at full value and Spacey’s explanation at full value. We shouldn’t seek to deny either of them truth until that truth becomes completely unstable.

That seems quite sensible to me. It makes little sense to conjur up narratives that paint the story in one way or another, let’s just take it as it is for now and treat it that way.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by dre

Corey Feldman talked about this a while ago. Now he plans on a documentary and will reveal names.

Lol yeah. Good ol Corey sticking up for victims. That's why he's not naming names until he reaches his gofundme goal of ten million bucks. What a stand up dude, trying to cash in on this Hollywood scandal, you know... To make sure it never happens again. Don't file a police report or anything.
Corey should go back to doing what Corey does best. Being irrelevant.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

If you don't want to be looked at as blaming the victim, maybe you can at least not take issue with him being called a victim. The dude has lived 32 years in anger at Kevin Spacey trying to take advantage of him as a 14 year old boy.

I'm not blaming the victim for the events. If the guy is living in anger then do something about it and don't wait 32 years. If there were victims after him he certainly didn't do them any favors by being angry and keeping it to himself. I realize that coming out could lead to having your career blackballed but is that worse than spending your adult life being consumed with the anger? It's easy for me to say of course but for the system to work it needs courageous people to come out sooner than later. It's great to see the snowball effect of people coming out now as this is needed to help cultivate a business environment in Hollywood where this kind of stuff is no longer acceptable.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Lol yeah. Good ol Corey sticking up for victims. That's why he's not naming names until he reaches his gofundme goal of ten million bucks. What a stand up dude, trying to cash in on this Hollywood scandal, you know... To make sure it never happens again. Don't file a police report or anything.
Corey should go back to doing what Corey does best. Being irrelevant.

Ok, I get it, its Corey Feldmen, but he and Corey Haim talked about sexual abuse in the past, and its probably one of the things that sent Haim down the path he took.

However, Feldman has absolutely no power in Hollywood at all, he's a non entity now, so I don't think I blame him for the justification of once I do this I will probably never earn a dime again in Hollywood, so I get his reasoning for doing what he's doing.

As for Spacey, gross the guy put moves on and practically tried to force himself on a 14 year old when he was 26. That's not only gross, but its pretty much criminal.

It sounds like this thing is happening way to much in the entertainment business. There's going to have to at some point thought be a need to go beyond the #metoo, and stories being told and some actual for real criminal charges being filed or else this story will go quiet in a few month and this practice will continue.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I honestly hadn’t read your post, I skip over a lot of them (posts in general), I had read some of the buzzfeed comments (on the article) and others. Your take wasn’t original, it’s common, that’s why I mentioned it. You need to get a grip and stop obsessing over when I wake up, wondering where I am, and thinking everything I post has some connection to you, it’s beyond creepy and your need to make this a personal thing is distracting.

Ha ha ha. You seriously need to get over yourself. If you don't like being the center of attention then stop being such a divisive person on these forums with your social commentaries.

[PepsiFree]

Didn’t realise “Don’t blame the victim” and “I don’t like coming out being viewed simply as a tool for social gain” were divisive. I apologise.