[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames interested in Vrbata

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by spetch

Any strong team he would waive for, so add Minny, Chicago, Wsh & Pit too. It's is his last chance (hinting at calling this the end) so he wants to throw his last cup dart at the right team.

Then you know nothing about Shane Doan. He has never cared about winning, he has had a bunch of chances to go to contenders in the past and turned it down. He has already made it clear it is a California team or nothing. I will bet everything I own he doesn't move unless that team is in California. Even then I still think he backs out.

[devo22]

didn't want Vrbata earlier today, thought about it, looked at possible line combos.

now I'm for it. If he doesn't cost an arm and a leg, let's do it.

[TheAlpineOracle]

While I don't discount just how bad the Avs are and the apparent #### show that follows their management around, Iggy just doesn't pass the visual test to me anymore. I don't think he's not scoring because of the team he's on, I think he's not scoring because the game has passed him by. I've watched a few Avs games including the ones against Calgary and in my opinion he's very slow, always a step behind the play, reaction time seems to be gone, and nothing screams to me that a new team would snap him out of it. Father time has caught up, and he's not going to let go of Iggy. Should have retired instead of signing with the Avs if he wasn't going to go to a contender. Tarnished his legacy for no chance at the Stanley Cup in my opinion.

[spetch]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Then you know nothing about Shane Doan. He has never cared about winning, he has had a bunch of chances to go to contenders in the past and turned it down. He has already made it clear it is a California team or nothing. I will bet everything I own he doesn't move unless that team is in California. Even then I still think he backs out.

Actually I know more about Shane then you think. A bit ago Shane said himself that he would go to a contender, he just is so unsure of who that would be. At the time it he brought up Montreal as they were well ahead of the pack. I would imagine that if he was to have this same conversation today Mtl would not be on his list. The way he talked it was just a hard choice because anyone can win it, so he wants to go to a place that gives him the best odds. by the way, this was not a conversation with media or any sort of media around.

As for his opportunity to play elsewhere, I agree he should of started wanting to win sooner but he chose to try and make it work on one team and I respect that.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

No, I know the most about Shane.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

In what world can Iggy play a 4th line role? He's slow and old. While playoff Iggy might be willing to hit everything that moves in his mind, he's not fast enough anymore to catch anyone to hit them.

I bet he would be pretty good on the Flames powerplay.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I bet he would be pretty good on the Flames powerplay.

We don't get any - Wideman Effect

[FlameZilla]

I think there's still some gas left in Iggy's tank, and he's just conserving it until he is ejected safely from the smouldering wreckage of the Hindenburg in Denver. We're talking about a hockey player famous for his commitment to physical conditioning, and who would undoubtedly step up in a playoff run.

[getoverit]

man this whole conversation has been one sided, whoever said Iggy would want to come back to the flames, he has a say lol

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

While I don't discount just how bad the Avs are and the apparent #### show that follows their management around, Iggy just doesn't pass the visual test to me anymore. I don't think he's not scoring because of the team he's on, I think he's not scoring because the game has passed him by. I've watched a few Avs games including the ones against Calgary and in my opinion he's very slow, always a step behind the play, reaction time seems to be gone, and nothing screams to me that a new team would snap him out of it. Father time has caught up, and he's not going to let go of Iggy. Should have retired instead of signing with the Avs if he wasn't going to go to a contender. Tarnished his legacy for no chance at the Stanley Cup in my opinion.

Like he's really going to turn down $16M over 3 years to "preserve his legacy". And lest we forget, the Avs were coming off a great season when Iginla signed, and were trending up to being a great young team for the foreseeable future. At the time, many believed he had as good a chance on that team as any to win.

[getbak]

Vrbata has a $1 million base salary, but it's his bonuses that are the problem.

According to CapFriendly, his performance bonuses are:

• $500,000 for 30 games played (already earned: 61 GP)
• $500,000 for 20 goals or 40 points (already earned: 46 P)
• $250,000 for playoff qualification
• $250,000 for each round of the playoffs won (up to $1,000,000 total)

As I understand it, performance bonuses are paid after the end of the season by the team the player ends the season with.


Players are paid based on the number of days they spend on a team's roster during the season. This year, there are 180 days in the season. After the deadline, there will be 40 days left in the season. Acquiring Vrbata would cost $222,222.22 for the rest of the season on his base salary.

If a team loses in the first round of the playoffs, that puts his cost to that team at $1.47M (base plus $1.25M). That's equivalent to acquiring a player with a full season cap hit of $6.625M at the deadline.


The other problem for a team like the Flames is that they couldn't cover those bonuses using Smid's LTIR relief space, so they'd go onto the team's Bonus overage penalty for next season.


The value of acquiring players at the deadline is that you only have to pay a fraction of his total salary. Because of all his bonuses, you don't get that advantage from acquiring Vrbata.

The Coyotes taking back Wideman's contract would offset a lot of the problem, though.

[The Yen Man]

True, but why would the Coyotes take back Wideman? They want picks and prospects, not retiring contracts.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

While I don't discount just how bad the Avs are and the apparent #### show that follows their management around, Iggy just doesn't pass the visual test to me anymore. I don't think he's not scoring because of the team he's on, I think he's not scoring because the game has passed him by. I've watched a few Avs games including the ones against Calgary and in my opinion he's very slow, always a step behind the play, reaction time seems to be gone, and nothing screams to me that a new team would snap him out of it. Father time has caught up, and he's not going to let go of Iggy. Should have retired instead of signing with the Avs if he wasn't going to go to a contender. Tarnished his legacy for no chance at the Stanley Cup in my opinion.

He should have retired instead of joining the Avs? Here is a scoring comparison over the past three years (the years he should have supposedly been retired) between him, Vrbata (for the sake of the thread), and Gaudreau:

Johnny Gaudreau:
GP: 212 G: 67 P: 187

Jarome Iginla:
GP: 224 G: 59 P: 124

Radim Vrbata
GP: 203 G: 59 P: 136

The denigration of Iginla on this board is ridiculous. Gaudreau was an all-star all three of those seasons (albeit the first year as a rookie fill-in). True, Vrbata is having a better year by far this year, but he only scored 27 points last season and with a change of scenery he has turned things around. Personally, I have never liked Vrbata and thought he was a weak, perimeter player during his time with the Canucks. In addition to that, I honestly would not have guessed after watching the Coyotes play several times this year that he would be a top scorer on that team. It's impressive, but also surprising given how unnoticeable he is in the games.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by getbak

Vrbata has a $1 million base salary, but it's his bonuses that are the problem.

According to CapFriendly, his performance bonuses are:

• $500,000 for 30 games played (already earned: 61 GP)
• $500,000 for 20 goals or 40 points (already earned: 46 P)
• $250,000 for playoff qualification
• $250,000 for each round of the playoffs won (up to $1,000,000 total)

As I understand it, performance bonuses are paid after the end of the season by the team the player ends the season with.


Players are paid based on the number of days they spend on a team's roster during the season. This year, there are 180 days in the season. After the deadline, there will be 40 days left in the season. Acquiring Vrbata would cost $222,222.22 for the rest of the season on his base salary.

Not sure how accurate his info is, but on the afternoon show on 960 Derek Wills was saying that Arizona has already paid the first two performance bonuses to Vrbata.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

More or less 2 organizations sending old respectable men layers to the destination of their choice. Don't hear a ton about Iginla that's for sure and his trade hopes have been public for months. Doan admittedly I have no idea where he wants to go or how much he would cost. A poster mentioned bringing both in so I suggested swapping our 4th line wingers for them as they would be 4th line wingers.

When you make the comparison of those trades to moving Poirer for Crosby I question how much youmeother value these 40 year olds?

In what world is Chaisson for Iginla comparably bad to Poitier for Crosby? Replies like that are over the top imo

Iginla and Doan will add depth to a team. We have depth, we don't need depth guys, we need a top end RW or another goalie otherwise there isn't a lot we need to tinker with, especially the 4th line.

Will Doan or Iginla be an upgrade to our 4th line? The 4th line which really is there to provide continuous speed, grit, and energy to keep the tempo up with occasional scoring? Probably not.

Is Bouma, with his 2.2mil cap hit something Colorado needs for next season? Probably not.

Is Chiasson a player that the Coyotes see in their future as an RFA? Probably not, maybe.

Does Iginla fetch more than a fourth liner with a high cap hit? Maybe.

Does Doan fetch more than a pending RFA who's really a serviceable third to fourth liner? Probably.

Does Iginla and Doan want to come to Calgary or head to a contender where they have the strongest chance to win a cup? Probably the latter. We aren't a contender yet.

Was my proposal rude in response to your comment? Yes, my apologies. It's not nice to belittle other posters, but there are many questions you need to pose before you put out a trade proposal that makes zero sense.

You've got to be reasonable if you want to facilitate conversation on a forum board.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Not sure how accurate his info is, but on the afternoon show on 960 Derek Wills was saying that Arizona has already paid the first two performance bonuses to Vrbata.

If that's true, that would make a big difference. I checked the CBA, but couldn't find anything specific about how performance bonuses are paid out. Everything seemed to point to them being paid at the end of the season.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by getbak

If that's true, that would make a big difference. I checked the CBA, but couldn't find anything specific about how performance bonuses are paid out. Everything seemed to point to them being paid at the end of the season.

Did you consult with our resident capologist?

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Gaudfather

Not sure how accurate his info is, but on the afternoon show on 960 Derek Wills was saying that Arizona has already paid the first two performance bonuses to Vrbata.

I just heard the same on the drive home.

I think if you could acquire someone else like a Vrbata it wouldn't be too bad cause you could always shuffle Brouwer or Ferland down the lineup and sit Chiasson or Bouma. If you got two wingers Bouma and Chiasson could both sit and the forward lines would all have scoring upside.

Saying that I have really liked what I've seen from Bouma-Stajan-Chiasson so far. They've generated momentum and havoc on most shifts as of late. Still, if cheap enough, adding two wingers couldn't hurt.

[activeStick]

I don't want Vrbata....

[sureLoss]

Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger
8 teams legitimately in on Radim Vrbata. Considering his production this season, not surprising. Arizona should fetch good return tomorrow.