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Old 12-01-2015, 05:16 PM   #161
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If whites were a historically persecuted minority and the majority race had a sports team called the "whiteys" where they did a stupid dance and cheer that mocked white people, that wouldn't be offensive? A logo with a white guy with exaggerated features and a stupid smile?

Whites are the majority and not team can get away with making fun of religious symbols that pertain to white people. Imagine the backlash if there was a professional sports team using crucifixes or images of Jesus in a disrespectful tone. Yet somehow its acceptable to use sacred images like eagle feathers in whatever context we choose?

It's not an issue of "identifying" that other races exist, it's an issue of basic respect.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=The+%...=1920&bih=1019

https://www.google.ca/search?q=Provi...=1920&bih=1019

https://www.google.ca/search?q=Provi...+friars+mascot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_An...els_of_Anaheim

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Old 12-01-2015, 06:09 PM   #163
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I self identify as a lumberjack and I find those offensive.

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Barclays Center new mascot, honky.

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Old 12-01-2015, 06:25 PM   #164
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What are you suggesting here? That Providence College, which identifies itself as a Catholic university and was founded by actual Friars and is staffed by actual Friars today is somehow offensive to Catholics or Friars because their team nickname is Friars?

As for the Angels, where do angels live, and does the name of the Anaheim baseball team offend them? Have they spoken up about this? If they find the name offensive, I'm in no position to say (like some others believe they are) what is and is not offensive to certain groups. Maybe it is offensive to angels, in the same way that the Orlando Magic is offensive to Magics.
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Old 12-01-2015, 06:56 PM   #165
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Sometimes the best way to remove the derogatory power of a label is to embrace it. Look at geeks, nerds etc.
I generally try not to, with all those pimples and glasses and whatnot.
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Old 12-01-2015, 07:00 PM   #166
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If whites were a historically persecuted minority and the majority race had a sports team called the "whiteys" where they did a stupid dance and cheer that mocked white people, that wouldn't be offensive?
I'd be extremely offended. I'd also make damn sure to voice my displeasure in the week before the championship game as to maximize my exposure.
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Old 12-01-2015, 07:00 PM   #167
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Yeah, I just learned about this one the other day. Outrage is like trends, it's really difficult to keep up with what (mainly young) people are outraged at today or any given moment. My brothers wife in Mongolian and had a son with a Chinese man 20 years ago that lives with my brother and wife and they call Asian people Oriental and refer to "oriental food" etc.....so I don't know what to think anymore. I had never heard of the term Oriental as being offensive before that.
http://www.orientalphoenix.ca/

http://orientalpalace.blogspot.ca/

I never knew the term was considered offensive, not that I ever use it that I can quickly recall. I'd generally say Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, etc. or maybe even Asian?
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Old 12-01-2015, 07:03 PM   #168
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What are you suggesting here? That Providence College, which identifies itself as a Catholic university and was founded by actual Friars and is staffed by actual Friars today is somehow offensive to Catholics or Friars because their team nickname is Friars?
Did you see the Friar mascot? It looks like he's been floating upside down in a pond for a month.
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http://www.orientalphoenix.ca/

http://orientalpalace.blogspot.ca/

I never knew the term was considered offensive, not that I ever use it that I can quickly recall. I'd generally say Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, etc. or maybe even Asian?
My understanding is that the word is meant to describe things from that part of the world, but not people.

When I was doing a work term at university, we had a Chinese exchange student and that is what he told me. He also called out a co-worker for being racist because she said "Chinese people" when just the word "Chinese" was enough. His take was that you don't need to say "people". For example, in Canada, we would just say "Canadians", we wouldn't say; "Canadian people".

He was a very sensitive person.
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http://www.orientalphoenix.ca/

http://orientalpalace.blogspot.ca/

I never knew the term was considered offensive, not that I ever use it that I can quickly recall. I'd generally say Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, etc. or maybe even Asian?

I found out like 10 years ago.

It's okay to use it towards an object but not a person. It has to do with being "from the east".
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Really not sure what your point is...but I am happy you think using google is fun. Just because teams have a mascot that is a type of person is not a problem...its when the term is derogatory.

Out of all those, the only one that makes sense in this context is the Fighting Irish...which is practically as lame as Eskimos and Redskins.
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I find two things wrong with calling a team the Eskimos.

1. It's an offensive term according to a Cree friend who translated it in a more explicit manner.

2. Minority names shouldn't be reduced to a mascot level. It's usurping another people's culture.
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Did you see the Friar mascot? It looks like he's been floating upside down in a pond for a month.
Yeah I saw it. The Friars at the school they founded have designed themselves an exaggerated Friar mascot for the team they've chosen to call the Friars.

I'm still not sure what your point is. Do you think the Friars should be offended by how they depict themselves?

Or do you think the Inuit should take a lesson from the Friars and stop griping about the the name of a sports team even though anyone with an ounce of sense can see the obvious difference here?
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Yeah I saw it. The Friars at the school they founded have designed themselves an exaggerated Friar mascot for the team they've chosen to call the Friars.

I'm still not sure what your point is. Do you think the Friars should be offended by how they depict themselves?

Or do you think the Inuit should take a lesson from the Friars and stop griping about the the name of a sports team even though anyone with an ounce of sense can see the obvious difference here?
My point has more to do with that other guy's post a page ago...

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A logo with a white guy with exaggerated features and a stupid smile?
So I was just having fun finding stupid looking white guy mascots. I get what you're saying. But origin of the school or team is not the issue. Nor is the logo. The Fighting Sioux had the same logo as the Seminoles, as the Redskins, as the Fighting Illini. The Fighting Sioux asked the Sioux and they said no. The Seminoles asked the Seminoles and they said yes. Both are exonyms. Both have the same symbolism. One is ok, one isn't. But neither has anything to do with disrespecting an image or who founded the school. I also agreed a long time ago that Eskimo is probably no going to fly.
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So I was just having fun finding stupid looking white guy mascots. I get what you're saying. But origin of the school or team is not the issue. Nor is the logo. The Fighting Sioux had the same logo as the Seminoles, as the Redskins, as the Fighting Illini. The Fighting Sioux asked the Sioux and they said no. The Seminoles asked the Seminoles and they said yes. Both are exonyms. Both have the same symbolism. One is ok, one isn't. But neither has anything to do with disrespecting an image or who founded the school. I also agreed a long time ago that Eskimo is probably no going to fly.
Gah, apologies then. Sorry. This hockey game has clouded my judgement and apparently has me looking for a fight.
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The fighting irish will always be my favourite logo. haha
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Yeah I saw it. The Friars at the school they founded have designed themselves an exaggerated Friar mascot for the team they've chosen to call the Friars.

I'm still not sure what your point is. Do you think the Friars should be offended by how they depict themselves?

Or do you think the Inuit should take a lesson from the Friars and stop griping about the the name of a sports team even though anyone with an ounce of sense can see the obvious difference here?
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