[Trade] Canucks acquire B. Sutter + 3rd for Bonino, Clendening, + 2nd. UPD: Sutter signed.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Because they were scored with the Flames Backlund's 51 goals are worth double?

In that case 102 > 98 Sutter goals


Sutter has been durable and a better player for longer.

Hopefully Backlund keeps improving but he has only been a solid NHL player for a season and half.... 80 games in Backlund seasons. After the lock-out season Backlund was 1 season away from finishing his career in Sweden.... and the first half of 2013-14 it was looking like he was done. He had some sort of Come to Jesus moment in December 2014 and has been a lot better since then.

Backlund was very good the lockout year. He became the player he is today in that season IMO, and I thought it was unfair when Hartley was scratching him to start the 13-14 season.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am hopeful that Bennett breaks in as a centre, and plays his NHL career as a centre. But it really shortsighted to think that moving him to the wing at this stage of his young career will be in any way detrimental to his development. More than half the forwards who are drafted are drafted as centres (Tanguay was actually also drafted as a centre); huge numbers of them make the transition to the wing seamlessly. This is a non-issue.

Yeah well the reason that Darryl wanted Tanguay to play centre is that he knew that Tanguay was originally a centre and the reason I brought it up. Sure a young centre can move over to the wing but if you leave him there, shifting him back to the more responsible centre position isn't always that easy. Some get shifted over to wing because they aren't good enough and some get shifted because there is no room at centre but that shouldn't be the case for Bennett. It's also one of the reasons Drouin was sent back to junior, to learn the centre position. It's better for him to play his position from the start like Monahan, as centres are more valuable.

[cofias]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/stat...90618811895812

Absolutely brutal. I love Benning. What a total goof. He's setting Vancouver up for failure for a long time.

[CroFlames]

$4.4M for a 30 point guy? Wow.

Our 22 year old defensman who scored 42 points got $5.75.

Great signing Benning

[Enoch Root]

That would be awesome. Assuming $4.4M, here is what the Canucks' cap hit looks like for next year so far:

Forwards: 8 at $31.425M
(Sedin, Sedin, Burrows, Sutter, Dorsett, Hansen, Higgins, Horvat)

Defense: 3 at $13.05M
(Edler, Tanev, Sbiza)

Goalies: 2 at $7.6M
(Miller, Markstrom)

Total: 13 players, $51.075M

That is some kind of horrible

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That would be awesome. Assuming $4.4M, here is what the Canucks' cap hit looks like for next year so far:

Forwards: 8 at $31.425M
(Sedin, Sedin, Burrows, Sutter, Dorsett, Hansen, Higgins, Horvat)

Defense: 3 at $13.05M
(Edler, Tanev, Sbiza)

Goalies: 2 at $7.6M
(Miller, Markstrom)

Total: 13 players, $51.075M

That is some kind of horrible

It's truly impressive that they have spent so much money on such mediocre players. They've basically become the worst parts of the 2010 Oilers and 2011 Flames rolled into one.

[opendoor]

Assuming the rumors of the Sutter contract are true, I defy anyone to come up with a bigger waste of $20M in the NHL than:

Miller
Sutter
Sbisa
Dorsett
Prust

Especially when you consider that this superior group of players that those guys are replacing only costs $7.5M combined:

Lack
Bonino
Stanton
Kassian
Richardson

[Benched]

Benning is a Flames fan. I just know it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Benched

Benning is a Flames fan. I just know it.

If he keeps this up hes going to be found hanging from the Steamclock in Gastown.

Canucks fans are crazy, they're like West Boston.

[Bingo]

The final nail in the coffin for the Sutter deal?

The oddball Tony Gallagher likes it!

Title: Gallagher: Sutter deal one of the best in recent Canucks history
Gallagher on Pittsburgh deal

The difficulty in pulling this off more often, of course, is getting yourself into the right position and then finding a team which has the assets you covet, and having stumbled into same the position the Pittsburgh Penguins found themselves in before this trade.

Positioning yourself to take advantage of teams that are over the salary cap and must pare down before the start of the season is something the Canucks have done successfully in the past, and other teams as well have found this a winning formula.

After all, when you are making a trade with a team that has to make a trade, the odds are very much in your favour that success will be forthcoming.

Good take Tony ... however Benning is quoted as saying he was approached with the idea by Rutherford at the draft. The Penguins targeted your favourite team, not the other way around.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Locke

If he keeps this up hes going to be found hanging from the Steamclock in Gastown.

Canucks fans are crazy, they're like West Boston.

There are definitely crazy Canuck fans, but I see the majority of their fanbase as bandwagoners who don't have much knowledge of Hockey.

We'll probably see attendance drop and few supporters for Vancouver's rebuild. They had a hard enough time selling out the playoffs.

It may be a long rebuild for them unless Baertschi becomes their savior and Virtanen actually translates his 1-dimensional success to the NHL.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bingo

...Good take Tony ... however Benning is quoted as saying he was approached with the idea by Rutherford at the draft. The Penguins targeted your favourite team, not the other way around.

In addition to that, Gallagher never actually touches on why this might be a good deal where it matters most, in Sutter's on-ice performance. Okay, so the Canucks acquired an expensive player from Pittsburgh, but tell us, Tony, how exactly does an over-priced third-line centre improve the Canucks moving forward?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

In addition to that, Gallagher never actually touches on why this might be a good deal where it matters most, in Sutter's on-ice performance. Okay, so the Canucks acquired an expensive player from Pittsburgh, but tell us, Tony, how exactly does an over-priced third-line centre improve the Canucks moving forward?

Tony makes Eric Francis look like Bill Moyers.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The final nail in the coffin for the Sutter deal?

The oddball Tony Gallagher likes it!

Title: Gallagher: Sutter deal one of the best in recent Canucks history
Gallagher on Pittsburgh deal



Good take Tony ... however Benning is quoted as saying he was approached with the idea by Rutherford at the draft. The Penguins targeted your favourite team, not the other way around.

Wow. I think hes really lost the plot on that one.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The final nail in the coffin for the Sutter deal?

The oddball Tony Gallagher likes it!

Title: Gallagher: Sutter deal one of the best in recent Canucks history
Gallagher on Pittsburgh deal



Good take Tony ... however Benning is quoted as saying he was approached with the idea by Rutherford at the draft. The Penguins targeted your favourite team, not the other way around.

So when the Flames management look at their cap situation and need some cap room to sign Russell or Jankowski (for instance) they should just sit back and wait for offers for Wideman? The rest of the league will be aware of their situation. It does not mean that the Flames will get a better hockey player than Wideman.

If there was no salary cap I think that the Pens would keep defensively stronger 3rd line centre Sutter

With Cosby, Malkin, Kessel and Hornquist the thing the Pens needed was another offense first forward??

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So when the Flames management look at their cap situation and need some cap room to sign Russell or Jankowski (for instance) they should just sit back and wait for offers for Wideman? The rest of the league will be aware of their situation. It does not mean that the Flames will get a better hockey player than Wideman.

If there was no salary cap I think that the Pens would keep defensively stronger 3rd line centre Sutter

With Cosby, Malkin, Kessel and Hornquist the thing the Pens needed was another offense first forward??

I realize I am nitpicking but cap room for signing Jankowski is just about last on Fames list of concerns. He will be on an ELC when he does join the team and it will be three years after that when he needs a new contract.

As for shedding assets to get under the cap, I do agree its not an ideal situation to be in, but if the player is desirable a skilled GM can still create a bidding war situation. It is all about how many teams desire the player.

Its why trading a player like Raymond or Smid right now is near impossible without adding valuable pieces since better comparable options are still available on the UFA market. But with another year like the last, I would hope there would be strong demand for a player like Wideman on an expiring deal.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

It will probably be 2020 at the earliest before Jankowski can expect any sort of contract that has actual cap implications. That's if everything goes well. Might as well worry about having money for Hunter Smith or Brandon Hickey...

I honestly don't think GMs plan that far ahead other than trying to limit the length of contracts for non-star players. If Wideman (or whoever) is for some reason a problem down the road, BT will deal with it then. No sense in worrying about a hypothetical situation you can't possibly predict.

[sureLoss]

Vancouver Canucks @VanCanucks
#Canucks sign Brandon Sutter to 5-year contract extension; average annual value of $4.375M.

[Enoch Root]

excellent news!

[codynw]

That..

Is just awful.