Man sexually assaulted by four women

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

why, because he says so? or do we apply some objective form of assesment, yes was he penetrated, did he have to be restrained, was he physically hurt, does it seem reasonable that he was in fear for his life?

No, you apply the law. The dude was touched sexually, without his consent. It's assault. By your logic any woman who is assaulted by someone who shouldn't be considered threatening (i.e. elderly, frail, etc.) shouldn't be traumatized either.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

On the whole the threat of violence that 4 dudes presents makes it a whole different ballgame. But assuming 4 drunk gay guys come up behind a guy and pinch his arse and call him cute on the street where he is obviously at no risk and it is obviously just a bit of drunken foolery then no I don't think it is traumatic unless you are a total homophobe, and even then I don't think should be seen as sexual assault although legally it is.

What in the hell? So now we're comparing 4 gay guys pinching a dude's ass, to this story?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Congrats on moving the goalposts yet again. How exactly are you qualified to judge what constitutes a traumatic event for someone else? The aspect of trauma shouldn't even be the main argument here. Equality under the law is. There are plenty of sexual offences that can be committed that may or may not cause the victim trauma (voyeurism, exhibitionism, etc.). Should we just ignore those as well?

And this is what I object to, what you and the other posters really want, irrespective of the event, is that women get treated the same as men even though the effect of their action is almost certainly different.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by flameswin

What in the hell? So now we're comparing 4 gay guys pinching a dude's ass, to this story?

that's probably about what happened to this dude, he was in the car for a few blocks then they kicked him out, he got his junk grouped

[afc wimbledon]

any way this is pointless, I obviously disagree lets leave it at that

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

any way this is pointless, I obviously disagree lets leave it at that

I don't mean any offense by this, but I was just curious. Are you kind of older? Your comments just seem like what you hear fromolder white guys.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

And this is what I object to, what you and the other posters really want, irrespective of the event, is that women get treated the same as men even though the effect of their action is almost certainly different.

You're honestly making the claim that men who are sexually assaulted by women should not be protected by the same laws that protect women from men? Not only that but you seem to be making the claim that someone can't claim they were assaulted unless they were in serious fear for their safety. Like I asked, if a brittle, old man sticks his hand up a woman's skirt, is that sexual assault? Because I doubt the woman is in serious fear for her safety.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

You're honestly making the claim that men who are sexually assaulted by women should not be protected by the same laws that protect women from men? Not only that but you seem to be making the claim that someone can't claim they were assaulted unless they were in serious fear for their safety. Like I asked, if a brittle, old man sticks his hand up a woman's skirt, is that sexual assault? Because I doubt the woman is in serious fear for her safety.

Nurses in old peoples homes deal with this on a daily basis and yes it is an assault and no the police stay out of it and the nurses brush it off as part of working geriatric

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by flameswin

I don't mean any offense by this, but I was just curious. Are you kind of older? Your comments just seem like what you hear fromolder white guys.

I'm 50, so I am, to a degree, from the suck it up and move on generation, I think the idea that everything should be dealt with by the cops/state is asinine, if I get hit by a girlfriend (hasn't happened in years but has in my past) its an assault but unless Im actually having to go to hospital there is no way I'm calling the cops, again I punch a girlfriend (never happened to be clear) I would expect to get charged, I do think there are different standards for men and women.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Nurses in old peoples homes deal with this on a daily basis and yes it is an assault and no the police stay out of it and the nurses brush it off as part of working geriatric

I was a volunteer in a nursing home for 7 years and never heard any of the nurses or pca's claim they were touched sexually by any of the seniors. They also don't brush it off as part of the job as it would have been reported with the senior being removed from the facilities.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

This assumes that the penis responds only when the brain is happy. If some burly man came along, tied you up and started playing with your junk, it will become aroused even if you didn't want it to.

Try this on on for size. Based in different studies, between 5% and 20% of raped women admit to having an orgasm during the attack.

What the physical body does doesn't relate the emotional traumatization.

I absolutely, unequivocally disagree with that statement. I can't get it up if the girl I am with isn't at least an 8 or 9 out of 10, and fit. It is probably why I am still in bachelor hood to this day jumping from woman to woman. I cannot become sexually attracted or perform with women that are not very attractive. Call me shallow, but that is just the way my brain is wired, and I cannot see through the whole "But she is pretty on the inside thing".

Not in a million years could I get it up from any dude, let alone the one you describe. And I am not making a statement like this as a homophobic. I think gay people are great, and am a staunch supporter of their cause.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by pylon

I absolutely, unequivocally disagree with that statement. I can't get it up if the girl I am with isn't at least an 8 or 9 out of 10, and fit. It is probably why I am still in bachelor hood to this day jumping from woman to woman. I cannot become sexually attracted or perform with women that are not very attractive. Call me shallow, but that is just the way my brain is wired, and I cannot see through the whole "But she is pretty on the inside thing".

Not in a million years could I get it up from any dude, let alone the one you describe. And I am not making a statement like this as a homophobic. I think gay people are great, and am a staunch supporter of their cause.

Maybe so, but your physical responses are exactly that...yours. Other people will respond differently, through no fault of their own.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Nurses in old peoples homes deal with this on a daily basis and yes it is an assault and no the police stay out of it and the nurses brush it off as part of working geriatric

Still moving the goal posts. If the old ####### is suffering dementia and has no awareness of his actions then he legally can't be charged. I'm just asking you to clarify your position. If a woman is sexually assaulted but wasn't afraid of her attacker, is it still assault?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Still moving the goal posts. If the old ####### is suffering dementia and has no awareness of his actions then he legally can't be charged. I'm just asking you to clarify your position. If a woman is sexually assaulted but wasn't afraid of her attacker, is it still assault?

That a person won't be charged doesn't change the definition of the assault, and I'm not sure why we are argueing about this I have already agreed that within the letter ofthe law it was assault, just that i don't think it was worth this, or any, fuss.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Dion

I was a volunteer in a nursing home for 7 years and never heard any of the nurses or pca's claim they were touched sexually by any of the seniors. They also don't brush it off as part of the job as it would have been reported with the senior being removed from the facilities.

I'm on the board of directors of a nursing home and we deal with it very regularly depending on our patient mix, as you can imagine it tends to be very prevelant in some individuals and totally absent in most.

The only thing a patient touching the staff does is raise a red flag as to their ability to be around female patients, they get moved to an all male ward pronto, the staff brush it off as part of dealing with dementia.

[frinkprof]

Disregard.

[puckluck2]

That looks like a joke to me man, come on.

[renny]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

why, because he says so? or do we apply some objective form of assesment, yes was he penetrated, did he have to be restrained, was he physically hurt, does it seem reasonable that he was in fear for his life?

What does fear have to do with anything? Hypothetically, a child may feel no fear if they're touched by an adult, doesn't make it not sexual assault. There doesn't need to be penetration or restraint.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

You guys want to think having a drunk chick grab your junk is in the same ballpark as being sodomised or gangraped and then dumped in an alley thats your call, personally I don't think its a big deal, lets leave it at that and all hope that this violent gang of sex offendors is caught and locked away for life before they grab someone elses junk and scar the poor ####### for life.

Wow this is the weirdest thread I have ever read. Who exactly is saying its the exact same as being gang raped and dumped in an alley? It's different but both are sexual assaults and I don't give a crap how much experience you have with female murderers or that you don't fear women, it's still sexual assault.

Your arguments are baffling, they really are.

[pylon]

nm..