04-03-2013, 04:08 PM
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#161
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Would have liked to have seen at least one more trade. However, Cammalleri, Tanguay and probably Stempniak will all have at least as much value next year. Same for Sarich.
Plus, they need some bidies until the kids can start to take jobs.
Rome wan't built in a day
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04-03-2013, 04:09 PM
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#162
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by FurnaceFace
I think the trades and non trades sent a positive message to the league:
- Iginla was given final say in his trade. I believe the team could have asked him to give them teams he would accept a trade to and then just tell him this is where you're going.
- JBo was treated with respect as they kept his streak alive (on paper anyway). I suspect that was something important to him and the team did what they could.
- Kipper by contractual rights shouldn't have needed to be consulted but he was treated like it was his decision and he had rights. Given his rumoured family situation the team again, treated a long time player with respect.
I believe this message to players is you aren't just considered a commodity with The Flames. What is important to you is what's important to us if it helps us all reach our goals. Maybe a 19 year old fresh to the league doesn't care about this but to a guy who's been in the league for even a couple of years, I think this plays a factor. I think it's also something agents, parents, and junior coaches recognize too and they all influence younger players' decisions.
The team treated and does treat the players with the respect they deserve and have earned which should help the team in attracting talent. I'm sure they aren't the only team to treat their players with this much respect and class but I'm happy they are on that list.
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Good points, I was actually thinking about this earlier today. To us the fans, it might seem selfish that the players didn't go out of their way to ''help'' the Flames get something for them. But regardless if fans think the organization is in shambles, the Flames have proven they are a classy organization that is willing to work with the player to accommodate their requests. If I'm a UFA, that plays a role in whether I sign or not.
Good on the Flames for going down that path.
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04-03-2013, 04:38 PM
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#163
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Morrow and Forsberg also moved and they each carry 1st rounder value
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But they're not 1st rounders you can make equivalents between anything but if your talking about 1st rounders moved only the Flames and Buff got any extras.
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04-03-2013, 04:50 PM
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#164
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!
I give him a C.
I wouldn't fail him on the basis of this draft, but it wasn't good enough to make up for his failing grades in other areas.
Iginla trade: Got vastly less than any NHL commentator thought he would, bad PR during the trade, extenuating circumstances limiting the value, blah blah blah. The Bottom Line is that he absolutely did not, in any way, win this trade. There are only explanations/excuses why he lost it.
Bouwmeester trade: Modest return included a 1st rounder, and may have reflected a soft market. Probably a fair trade, given Bouwmeester's contract next year. One has to wonder why the Flames didnt elect to eat some of that salary to sweeten the return.
Comeau trade: Congratulations. Feaster's best trade of the season netted a 5th rounder.
Babchuk Trade: Didn't happen. Guy has no value
Stempniak trade: Didnt happen. Could've/would've/should've
Tanguay Trade: Didnt happen. Long contract, doubt anyone wanted it
Trade to acquire an actual NHL calibre goalie to replace Kipper: Didnt happen. Ya no thanks
Trade to turn late-1st round pick(s) into a top prospect or early 1st: Didnt happen. Yes cuz other teams are dying to do this for us
If he had done, and either won or at least not lost the majority of those deals, I would have given him an A+. Standing pat, buying, or losing a significant number of deals would have gotten him an F.
As is, I think he deserves a C. Not terrible. But I still want him gone.
Of course he still has the chance to do some of those deals at the draft. Would be nice to see.
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He traded Iginla to the only place he wanted to go, we'll see in few years how did.
He traded JBo when not many teams could take on his salary, Doug McLean said it owners hate having to pay players that are not playing for them, I would too.
Got a 5th for Comeau.
Would I have liked to see couple more players moved out? hell ya! But not many players got moved. he still have the summer to get something done for the others.
B is what I'd give him. At least they're moving int he right direction.
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04-03-2013, 04:58 PM
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#165
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Big trade winner today was the Flames for offloading the terrible mistake that was Blake Comeau.
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04-03-2013, 05:10 PM
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#166
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Franchise Player
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Can't say I'm not disappointed. No notable prospects in return for any of our players.
At the same time, it is interesting. Go over to HF and you'll find everyone on HF tearing the Capitals a new one for trading Forsberg, and in turn, mocking the Flames for not getting more in return for our players.
It seems that somebody always has to look like a fool in these roster player for futures type of deals over there. In order for Feaster to have done well, he apparently needed to make someone else look like a fool. That just wasn't going to happen.
Ultimately, it's up to the draft now. This management can't screw up this first round. We're getting a top 4 pick, and using it on anyone but MacKinnon, Drouin, Jones, or Barkov would be ground for immediate dismissal in my eyes. No moving down. If anything, I'd like to see us package the other 2 first rounders to get a second top 10 pick.
Most important draft in team history.
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04-03-2013, 06:07 PM
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#167
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Lifetime Suspension
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Major payoll removed = good. Could've done better on other transactions. Not sure what discussions on Cammelleri & Stempniak took place, but it doesn't seem like these are the types of players to have around for a rebuild. Maybe something more will happen with either/both of them over the summer. Blake Comeau was a Brent Sutter WJC connection. Surprised he was even brought back this year, even to be a warm body. No real opinion on that one.
Biggest reaction is the big production TSN puts out for the deadline. It's kind of anti-climactic. From a Flames fan perspective, the important moves were completed already. From an entertainment perspective, the reality wasn't as exciting as the anticipation buildup. You get to see these 20 Top Trade targets, but the only big names to move were Gaborik & Pominville today.
Drager was fiddling with his i-Phone and Bob McKenzie tries to look busy in front of his laptop. Meantime, there's dippy tweets clogging up the TV screen: "I hope the Leafs make a move TODAY! #tradecentre". Simplify it. Assume that fans are knowledgeable enough to have a handle on the situation. Too many talking heads. Still, it is sort of like a holiday, and it only happens once a year.
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04-03-2013, 06:24 PM
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#168
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
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Good post BB. I think they could have easily started the show at noon eastern. Personally, I'd like to see them switch the amount of coverage between the deadline and the draft, and devote a lot more time to the latter...
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04-03-2013, 07:51 PM
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#169
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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler
Good post BB. I think they could have easily started the show at noon eastern. Personally, I'd like to see them switch the amount of coverage between the deadline and the draft, and devote a lot more time to the latter...
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The Trade Deadlines flashbacks were good segments of the program. Worth it, just to be reminded of John Tonelli. They should've showed the clip of him laughing his ass off on the bench after Steve Smith tipped that one in on Fuhr. One of the greatest moments in Flames history.
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04-03-2013, 11:32 PM
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#170
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Well prior to it we were bad despite our best efforts... but at the trade deadline the org went full tank. We are bad and intentionally bad. Only picks and prospects came back. No salary. No roster players. The players can see that too, Iginla and Bouwmeester are gone but there is no new faces in the dressing room.
I don't know how anyone can watch a game this season under these circumstances. You're going to see a product that's supposed to fail
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04-04-2013, 05:09 PM
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#171
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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From now on when I hear Feaster promise to be busy, I'll know that really means next to nothing is going to happen. For a team trying to clear cap space for next season, how in the mighty Zeus did he not manage to deal at least one for if not both Sarich and/or Stempniak??!!??
Especially Sarich who is as close to useless as you can get for a team that is REBUILDING but will make 2 million next year. I just cant understand how Feaster couldn't have gotten a 7th round pick from a playoff team wanting a 7th or 8th Dman and who I'm sure is a pretty good locker room guy with a ring......really doesn't make a lick of sense.
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04-04-2013, 05:18 PM
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#172
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Iceman57
From now on when I hear Feaster promise to be busy, I'll know that really means next to nothing is going to happen. For a team trying to clear cap space for next season, how in the mighty Zeus did he not manage to deal at least one for if not both Sarich and/or Stempniak??!!??
Especially Sarich who is as close to useless as you can get for a team that is REBUILDING but will make 2 million next year. I just cant understand how Feaster couldn't have gotten a 7th round pick from a playoff team wanting a 7th or 8th Dman and who I'm sure is a pretty good locker room guy with a ring......really doesn't make a lick of sense.
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I don't mind too much that the Flames didn't sell Sarich or Stempniak.
They both have another year on their contract. The rebuild is going to last all of next season at least. Both should have higher value then. Sarich will probably get more time in the lineup as well, so it will only boost his numbers. Hopefully Stempniak has a solid season, and I think is great to have on a young center's wing, as he is physical, defensively responsible and talented enough.
Babchuk was the only one I was really hoping would be gone from an upcoming UFA perspective, but there just must have not been any interest. If Feaster traded Comeau for a 5th (which was a nice surprise, even though I give Comeau full props for playing hard and redeeming himself somewhat), he definitely would have traded Babchuk for a 7th or even a conditional pick.
I don't think Tanguay and Cammalleri are long for this team. Cammy has better value next season anyways. Trade him at the draft to someone desperate enough, or perhaps use him in an effort to move up a few spots if they are trying to target someone specific (obviously not in the top 10)... or just play him next season and trade him at the deadline (which is he most likely scenario).
I am glad the Flames didn't go full tank. They need guys to shoulder the burden for a bit while whatever prospects are ready for the NHL next season get in without drowning.
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04-04-2013, 06:24 PM
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#173
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Central CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Morrow and Forsberg also moved and they each carry 1st rounder value
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I'm not sure that they do. To me they both have a number of red flags being thrown up around them. Forsberg's slide in the draft, and Washington's willingness to deal him so soon after are concerning. Word is coming over from scouts that there are concerns with his skating and his ability to play in NA.
Similar things are coming out about Morrow as well. He's struggling in his first year as a pro, and there are rumblings about him being unwilling to change his game to become more effective. With Pittsburgh's glut of pmd's they felt he wad the least worthwhile of their effort to develop.
I think that this draft more than most 1sts came at a premium.
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