Iginla Wants To Remain A Flame

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Corral

I think if Iginla actually did sign with Edm - many of you would be surprised (or disgusted) at how many calgarians cheered for the oilers if they were to make a run with #12 in the lineup.

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[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Corral

That being said, i think many folks here seriously overstate the so-called edm-calgary rivalry. It is hardly the hate relationship it once was. I think if Iginla actually did sign with Edm - many of you would be surprised (or disgusted) at how many calgarians cheered for the oilers if they were to make a run with #12 in the lineup.

[FBI]

I seriously dreamt that iggy was traded for stamkos straight up last night. AND I was actually disappointed lol.

[pepper24]

When is the trade deadline in this shortened season?

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Corral

I don't know how long you've been a fan, but i would have said the same thing about Grant Fuhr playing for the Flames. It happens - because fans care more about rivalries than players do.

It happend with Fuhr and Steve Smith was because we were paying them off for 1986.

[joe_mullen]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

Iginla detractors are like Oiler fans. Every year they say "this is the year it happens," but it never seems to happen.

it could also be argued that they care more about the logo on the front than the name on the back. a purely objective assessment of the flames situation strongly suggests that he be traded for picks/prospects instead of further cementing our status as an irrelevant franchise.

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by joe_mullen

it could also be argued that they care more about the logo on the front than the name on the back. a purely objective assessment of the flames situation strongly suggests that he be traded for picks/prospects instead of further cementing our status as an irrelevant franchise.

+1 for proper asset management.

[magicpixels]

There are a few concerns with Iginla and I don't think they've all been addressed.

1. He's already mentioned the word "negotiations" to the press which lead one to believe he's not really open to accepting what the club naturally has to offer. I don't think the flames wold make an unreasonable offer so the word "negotiations" is a little interesting. I would assume if he were here to be a flame and to take a home team discount we wouldn't be talking about negotiations.

2. My biggest problem and I think it's huge. I really don't think I want Iginla to have an effect on young players like Baerstchi. Iginla has more than once in the past insinuated he's here to score goals and to be the guy who scores and that defence is not his priority. When is he going to accept and come to grips with the fact he will eventually become a 2nd line and 3rd line center to make way for a kid like Baertschi to get the minutes he will need to be the player he needs to become? It's a serious question that needs to be asked as more than 1 coach has had the same problem with Iginla buying into a system.

3. Just how fast does his production tail off. This is the major reason they didn't sign him last year. If he only manages to score say 12-15 goals this season it's an instant sign that we won't be expecting Jarome to score at that 30+ clip anymore and his salary should clearly reflect that.


I really do struggle though with how he can act as a mentor or possibly negatively effect young players that will come into this organization. I simply don't think he will be able to easily accept a role as a support player. We watched another player do this 30 years ago with nothing but absolute class. I would certainly hope Iginla would be no different but then again McDonald did what coaches expected of him.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by magicpixels

There are a few concerns with Iginla and I don't think they've all been addressed.

1. He's already mentioned the word "negotiations" to the press which lead one to believe he's not really open to accepting what the club naturally has to offer. I don't think the flames wold make an unreasonable offer so the word "negotiations" is a little interesting. I would assume if he were here to be a flame and to take a home team discount we wouldn't be talking about negotiations.

2. My biggest problem and I think it's huge. I really don't think I want Iginla to have an effect on young players like Baerstchi. Iginla has more than once in the past insinuated he's here to score goals and to be the guy who scores and that defence is not his priority. When is he going to accept and come to grips with the fact he will eventually become a 2nd line and 3rd line center to make way for a kid like Baertschi to get the minutes he will need to be the player he needs to become? It's a serious question that needs to be asked as more than 1 coach has had the same problem with Iginla buying into a system.

3. Just how fast does his production tail off. This is the major reason they didn't sign him last year. If he only manages to score say 12-15 goals this season it's an instant sign that we won't be expecting Jarome to score at that 30+ clip anymore and his salary should clearly reflect that.


I really do struggle though with how he can act as a mentor or possibly negatively effect young players that will come into this organization. I simply don't think he will be able to easily accept a role as a support player. We watched another player do this 30 years ago with nothing but absolute class. I would certainly hope Iginla would be no different but then again McDonald did what coaches expected of him.

1. Of course they are negotiations. How could you possibly draw that conclusion from him saying that? Iginla and his agent would be foolish to just rollover and accept whatever the Flames are offering. That has absolutely no bearing on whether or not he will take a fair/below market deal.

2. What? There are just far too many bs statements in this point to even begin. The Flames WOULDN'T want Iggy's influence on Baertschi? We're talking one of the classiest players in the history of the NHL, the Flames most respected player of all time. You have to be trolling here because it's far too ludicrous to take seriously. Lastly, when has Iginla EVER stated he's just here to score goals....source?

3. The reason the Flames didn't sign him last year has nothing to do with how they're afraid his production will tail off. It's because, as Red pointed out, he was 2 years away from his current contract's expiration. There are far too many variables to start negotiations 2 years out.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Iginla isn't going to fetch us much now. So why trade him? It's obvious this team wants to be a middle of the pack team.

If he still had a year or two left on his contract I'd be more inclined to agree. However, he's still arguably the best rental player available come deadline day this season. So until the trade deadline comes and goes I'd say his value is still pretty high.

[troutman]

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL.../20485576.html

The Calgary Flames have made a decision on Jarome Iginla and will call a news conference early next week to announce their plans moving forward.

“We determined internally the first day of camp we’re going to address that right off the hop and ask Jarome to do the same,” said Flames GM Jay Feaster of his captain who has just one year left on his five-year, US$35-million contract.

“We want to make sure everybody (in the media) is there, address it all at that time, and then neither party will talk about it again. Will that stop questions in Detroit and Colorado about it? No, but in saying that, it gives Jarome the ability to say he’s sorry but he already addressed it and won’t talk about it.”

[LChoy]

Originally Posted by joe_mullen

it could also be argued that they care more about the logo on the front than the name on the back. a purely objective assessment of the flames situation strongly suggests that he be traded for picks/prospects instead of further cementing our status as an irrelevant franchise.

My 2 cents

From a purely assets management view, I agree. Iginla is a declining commodity and it would be worth it to trade up for the future. However, it's not as simple as that.

First off, Iggy can pretty much dictate where he wants to go with the NTC/NMC. Looking at return in investment, the return the Flames will be looking for is some combination of high draft picks, blue chip prospects, or immediate impact players. The problem is teams that can offer those are lower end, not close to winning ones. I don't think Iggy is keen to go to Columbus for instance. Even trading him to a contender is problematic as those teams have often lower draft picks (unless they include multiple picks for future years drafts), too close to the Cap to take on his contract, or cannot offer any immediate players back with out crippling their own chances for a championship run.

2nd. Proper asset management requires trading from a position of strength. The Flames do not have an excess of Iginla like players. The Flames management have decided in the past that Iginla makes the team better than the return it would bring if he was traded. It would not be wise to trade an asset in one area, only to open a hole in another. Short term at least. There are very few instances where an organization trades their franchise player, and history is generally not on the side with the team that trades away star players (although an exception for sure with the Bruins, who won a couple several years after trading Joe Thornton). The big thing is getting draft picks and prospects to rebuild the base. However, potential is only great if it's realized (something the Oilers should keep in mind). For every Pittsburg, there is the Islanders, Atlanta, Columbus and other teams with high picks and prospects every year, and have nothing to show for it.

My third point is that I think the Flames rightly or wrongly are worried what an Iginla-less Flames would mean to ticket sales and the product on the ice. The oilers have been able to hype their prospect pool and 1st round picks and keep bums in the seats. However, if the Oilers don't make a splash in the next 1 to 2 seasons, the effect of being a bottom dwelling team will take a toll on attendance. Similarly to the Flames, ownership remember the Dark times and they have a real fear that without Iginla, the fans will turn away.

This whole calculation will change though closer to the trade deadline. If the Flames appear to fail to make the playoffs, then it would be their best interest to shop Iginla to a playoff team. They'll then have the opportunity to negotiate a contract with him in the summer. Similarly, if it appears Iggy won't re-sign with Calgary, then for sure try to get the most out of him.

Lchoy

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL.../20485576.html

The Calgary Flames have made a decision on Jarome Iginla and will call a news conference early next week to announce their plans moving forward.

“We determined internally the first day of camp we’re going to address that right off the hop and ask Jarome to do the same,” said Flames GM Jay Feaster of his captain who has just one year left on his five-year, US$35-million contract.

“We want to make sure everybody (in the media) is there, address it all at that time, and then neither party will talk about it again. Will that stop questions in Detroit and Colorado about it? No, but in saying that, it gives Jarome the ability to say he’s sorry but he already addressed it and won’t talk about it.”

Unless Feaster is coming out and saying that Iggy has signed an extension this news conference will mean nothing. It will not stop reporters asking Iggy what his plans are for the future. They will still ask the question in 20 different variations.


I wonder if Feaster says something to the effect that they will not trade him at the deadline under any circumstance? I really hope not. I have said it before and i will say it again, if he has not re-signed by the deadline they have to look at trading him.

[magicpixels]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

1. Of course they are negotiations. How could you possibly draw that conclusion from him saying that? Iginla and his agent would be foolish to just rollover and accept whatever the Flames are offering. That has absolutely no bearing on whether or not he will take a fair/below market deal.

2. What? There are just far too many bs statements in this point to even begin. The Flames WOULDN'T want Iggy's influence on Baertschi? We're talking one of the classiest players in the history of the NHL, the Flames most respected player of all time. You have to be trolling here because it's far too ludicrous to take seriously. Lastly, when has Iginla EVER stated he's just here to score goals....source?

3. The reason the Flames didn't sign him last year has nothing to do with how they're afraid his production will tail off. It's because, as Red pointed out, he was 2 years away from his current contract's expiration. There are far too many variables to start negotiations 2 years out.

It came out on two occasions with Keenan and Sutter regarding Iginla buying into their system. He's absolutely open what he thinks his role on the team is. The problems can go all the way back to Dion Phaneuf. Everybody thought Dion was the cancer in the room. Take a closer look at the flames' record with and without Phaneuf for a starting point.

I like Jarome I really do. I have three Iginla Jersey's. The issue remains that he likely isn't going to want to accept a diminishing role on a team that isn't a playoff contender. As it is I would hope that next season we would see Baertschi on the first line replacing him. That is what it will boil down to and the flames' management should be asserting this as they will expect Baertschi to be putting up 20 plus goals.

The fact is this season should likely be the last where Jarome should expect first line minutes. Can he accept that?

There's no questioning what he's meant to Calgary. Just ask yourself would we give Doan 6M a year at his age if we signed him as a UFA?

The answer is NO.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Lchoy

My 2 cents

From a purely assets management view, I agree. Iginla is a declining commodity and it would be worth it to trade up for the future. However, it's not as simple as that.

First off, Iggy can pretty much dictate where he wants to go with the NTC/NMC. Looking at return in investment, the return the Flames will be looking for is some combination of high draft picks, blue chip prospects, or immediate impact players. The problem is teams that can offer those are lower end, not close to winning ones. I don't think Iggy is keen to go to Columbus for instance. Even trading him to a contender is problematic as those teams have often lower draft picks (unless they include multiple picks for future years drafts), too close to the Cap to take on his contract, or cannot offer any immediate players back with out crippling their own chances for a championship run.

Disagree here, if you look at what Detroit was willing to give up for Nash (Filppula etc.) i.e. giving up their core/future for a chance to win right now as the window is closing on them, I would think that they would be willing to do the same for Iginla. Though the return wouldn´t be as big as it was for Nash but anyway the point remains.

[magicpixels]

That and flames fans have unrealistic expecations of what his value is.

It's either a 1st round pick between 15-30 or a prospect that has a shot to be a Top six. At this stage it's unreasonable to expect a top 3 prospect or a top 10 pick in exchange for him. We got way less for Fleury and he was a league leader.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL.../20485576.html

The Calgary Flames have made a decision on Jarome Iginla and will call a news conference early next week to announce their plans moving forward.

“We determined internally the first day of camp we’re going to address that right off the hop and ask Jarome to do the same,” said Flames GM Jay Feaster of his captain who has just one year left on his five-year, US$35-million contract.

“We want to make sure everybody (in the media) is there, address it all at that time, and then neither party will talk about it again. Will that stop questions in Detroit and Colorado about it? No, but in saying that, it gives Jarome the ability to say he’s sorry but he already addressed it and won’t talk about it.”

Well this is an odd statement from the Flames if there is a contract extension in the works. "plans moving forward" doesn't sound much like "new contract announcement"

Very paternalistic ... we've made a decision on Jarome and we will give Jarome the ability to apologize to the media and nobody will talk about it again ....

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by magicpixels

That and flames fans have unrealistic expecations of what his value is.

It's either a 1st round pick between 15-30 or a prospect that has a shot to be a Top six. At this stage it's unreasonable to expect a top 3 prospect or a top 10 pick in exchange for him. We got way less for Fleury and he was a league leader.

If hockey knowledge was made out of leather, you would not have enough to saddle a flea! We got a pretty hefty haul for Fleury, some of them like Rene Corbet never hit expectation. Iginla has more value than a freakin late 1st.

[Francis's Hairpiece]

Originally Posted by Corral

Well this is an odd statement from the Flames if there is a contract extension in the works. "plans moving forward" doesn't sound much like "new contract announcement"

Very paternalistic ... we've made a decision on Jarome and we will give Jarome the ability to apologize to the media and nobody will talk about it again ....

That's one way of spinning it negatively.

I read it as its actually written.


“We want to make sure everybody (in the media) is there, address it all at that time, and then neither party will talk about it again. Will that stop questions in Detroit and Colorado about it? No, but in saying that, it gives Jarome the ability to say he’s sorry but he already addressed it and won’t talk about it.”



Sorry, I already talked about it. Not that he is there to say sorry.

Good try though.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Francis's Hairpiece

That's one way of spinning it negatively.

I read it as its actually written.


“We want to make sure everybody (in the media) is there, address it all at that time, and then neither party will talk about it again. Will that stop questions in Detroit and Colorado about it? No, but in saying that, it gives Jarome the ability to say he’s sorry but he already addressed it and won’t talk about it.”



Sorry, I already talked about it. Not that he is there to say sorry.

Good try though.

OK, lets read your bold quote literally.

Why would the media want to talk about a new contract over and over again, such that Jarome has to politely decline to comment? And why would there be a concern about constant media pestering in other markets if this press conference was to announce a contract extension?

Clearly there will be no contract in the near future - no other reason for the Flames to announce a gag order.