North Carolina passes same-sex marriage ban

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

This is all so predictable, at some point that Pastor is going to be caught with a male prostitute.

Seriously? I've known many pastors and all are decent people who take their role seriously as a mentor, teacher, leader, etc. Those horror stories are extremely rare yet when there is one incident it gets gallons of ink.

[Lobotroth]

Married couples can still have "children" without having children:

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Curious as to how you see having children keeps social order.

If anything procreation dissolves social order as an expanding population for the most part eats away at the definition of social order.

Not having children per se....people are automatically going to do that......but keeping a mother/father together for their best interests promotes stability.

Having 2.1 children per couple does not expand the population, but stabilizes it.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Okay smartguy.......how about I get back to my work and I will come back here later this afternoon to show you...

You weren't so busy you couldn't keep posting in here for the past 45 minutes, why so busy now when all you have to do is show something that justifies your view that homosexuals are promiscuous? You seem to believe it with such veracity, surely it can't be too hard to recall where you found that information.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

You weren't so busy you couldn't keep posting in here for the past 45 minutes, why so busy now when all you have to do is show something that justifies your view that homosexuals are promiscuous? You seem to believe it with such veracity, surely it can't be too hard to recall where you found that information.

Looking for his rocket powered roller skates

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Seriously? I've known many pastors and all are decent people who take their role seriously as a mentor, teacher, leader, etc. Those horror stories are extremely rare yet when there is one incident it gets gallons of ink.

I don't think you quite got my point. I meant pastors like this guy, who rail against homosexuality so hard seem to be the ones who are caught dick-handed.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

If you need a marriage certificate from the government to validate your relationship with your wife.....well that is just sad.

It is not at all about "validation," but rather much more about social convention. I suspect that the vast majority of people who marry in the Western world do so from an earnest eagerness to make a publicly sanctioned gesture of exclusive commitment to their life partner. The contractual component of marriage in our society has ancient roots that most people still consider highly valuable: Marriage in the modern world is a formal agreement that helps to clarify and enforce the rules of an exclusive relationship.

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Marriage for the purpose of raising children keeps social order.....that to me was the original intent of it....a set of regulations for the sexual market so to speak.

How does marriage for the purpose of raising children maintain "social order"?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I had no idea you were an expert on the content of romance novels!

How many years have you been reading this type of fiction before you could confidently conclude that "99.9%" involve dominant male and submissive female characters?

Yeah no doubt. Reading that many romance novels is kinda gay mikey.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I was just tossing some ideas around. It's too bad the gay marriage debate has been so divisive.

Ron Paul says the government should stay out of the marriage industry.....and I agree with him.

Except the pro gay marriage supporters want the government to make people accept and recognize homosexual relationships through legislation, and I don't think that is right either.

Yeah ......I've never been one to conform.

The government may only exit the marriage industry by no longer offering marriage benefits and status. They therefore ARE in the industry and currently have EXTRA limits on personal freedoms by limiting that benefit.

And in being a contrarian, you have a strange way of choosing your stance on issues. You choose, then find bogus stats/corroborators to uphold your view. When presented with facts, you minimize the issue and disappear

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

The people of North Carolina who voted it down.

Yeah, and 50 years ago they would have voted down allowing the blacks to drink from their water fountains. Would you defend that as the democratic will of the people? Is discrimination acceptable if the majority votes for it?

[photon]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Not mikey, but you might look at:

Laumann, Edward, et al. The Social Organization of Sexuality : Sexual Practices in the United States. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994.

In this study, the median number of partners for homosexual men was 6 while it was 5 for heterosexual men. While not a huge difference, it was there. And the differences in the average as calculated by the mean was greater.

OkCupid released some data a while back.. a dating site probably doesn't fully represent the population, but since it selects for people looking for a relationship one would expect the numbers to be wrong on the high side.

Anyway this is what they said:

Median Reported Sex Partners
-straight men: 6
-gay men: 6
-straight women: 6
-gay women: 6

Here's how the distribution curves compare:

45% of gay people have had 5 or fewer partners (vs. 44% for straights)
98% of gay people have had 20 or fewer partners (vs. 99% for straights)

It turns out that a tiny fraction of gays have single-handedly two-handedly created the public image of gay sexual recklessness—in fact we found that just 2% of gay people have had 23% of the total reported gay sex, which is pretty crazy.

. . .

Straight people have gay sex, too.
Another inquiry that had unexpected results: we asked 252,900 straight people Have you ever had a sexual encounter with someone of the same sex?

Almost a quarter answered 'yes'.

http://gizmodo.com/5661086/data+back...-everyone-else

[afc wimbledon]

The origanal intent of marriage was to allow for the orderly purchase of a breeding age girl for several cows and a few sheep, it was, and still effectively is a purchase agreement.
The only difference is it has gone from being front end to back end loaded.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Not mikey, but you might look at:

Laumann, Edward, et al. The Social Organization of Sexuality : Sexual Practices in the United States. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994.

In this study, the median number of partners for homosexual men was 6 while it was 5 for heterosexual men. While not a huge difference, it was there. And the differences in the average as calculated by the mean was greater.

Thank you for responding, I was hoping Mikey would provide this information.

Is that difference statisically significant?

[Table 5]

I gotta admit, a good chunk of the gay dudes I know (and in my industry, there's a lot of em) are total man-sluts, and are in semi-open relationships. However most of these guys want to continue living so, and want nothing to do with being tied down, so I'm guessing they are not the ones who want to be getting married in the first place.

The few gay guys I know who are in long-term relationships seem to be just as dedicated as any straight couple, and go through the same bikering and misery as the rest of us.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Personally procreation is a often welcome benefit of a marriage, but its not a condition of a successful marriage.

My sister can't have kids as much as she wants them, and she's been happily married for something like 20 years.

I have a lot of friends who didn't get married because of the kids thing, or procreating.

Marriage is about two people finding each other falling in love, and deciding to confirm that love to the world and to make the biggest commitment to each other. Not because of they have this obligation to push hell spawn out on the world.

There are many examples of infertile woman who married in the bible.

Michal the first wife of King David


There were other couples that were married and infertile but were able to bear children afterwords due to their prayers, however they were not stopped from marrying because they were barren.

So under that premise if Marriage is defined as a committed relationship about love as the condition then it should proclude homosexuals.

Now Horses, that's another story.

And if it's root is in the Bible, why are non Christians allowed to marry?

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Is discrimination acceptable if the majority votes for it?

If what he has said in the past is anything to go off of, he has admitted "not caring" if the beliefs and values of minority groups are suppressed so long as the "Western moral tradition" is protected. Going by that, I would say he would believe what you said to be true so long as the majority are Westerners and acting in the interest of defending their cultural heritage.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by photon

OkCupid released some data a while back.. a dating site probably doesn't fully represent the population, but since it selects for people looking for a relationship one would expect the numbers to be wrong on the high side.

Anyway this is what they said:


http://gizmodo.com/5661086/data+back...-everyone-else

I'm just trying to figure out who answers that question. There is no right answer. Ever.

Heck if I'm asked that question I'm blasting off on my own rocket skates.

[troutman]

6 partners in your life? In a year?

I might be a slut.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by troutman

6 partners in your life? In a year?

I might be a slut.

good point.........what if my number is 4 times that???

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Not mikey, but you might look at:

Laumann, Edward, et al. The Social Organization of Sexuality : Sexual Practices in the United States. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994.

In this study, the median number of partners for homosexual men was 6 while it was 5 for heterosexual men. While not a huge difference, it was there. And the differences in the average as calculated by the mean was greater.

Does the study control for marriage?

One presumes that after a person becomes married, he or she will most likely cease having any additional sexual partners (except in the case of adultery or divorce). Homosexual couples are denied the right to marry in most jurisdictions, so it seems logical that it would be easier for them to end relationships (rather than trying to work things out to "save the marriage") and consequently have more partners.

I'd be most curious to see the average number of sexual partners for unmarried people aged aged 20 to 50 and see if there's a significant difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals.