CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[Baxter Renegade]

Yes, we could have had Lego lynched and moved into the night without my reveal.

Instead, CBL swayed the vote from the most suspicious mafia member this game has yet to see and managed to pile on the freakin' doctor with the help of his mafia buddies!

CBL displays unsound logic as well. When you are town, you think town. When you are mafia pretending to be town, you leave holes. This is exactly what the 3 in my list did heavily during day 5.

CBL with his vote sway, then refusing to revoke his vote and trying to continue with the lynch after my reveal. Town logic shouldn't allow this.

Kermitology did the same as CBL. He piled on me early, then called me a liar. He didn't revoke his vote until after I explained how townies think in this matter. Again, obviously mafia pretending to be town, hence the massive errors.

Lego listed his plan to stay alive and vote with Ineedanother. We were 3 votes short of lynching that scum. He displayed flawed town logic as well. As mafia pretending to be town, his plan doesn't benefit town. People who are town and have been thinking as a townie this whole game don't make this flawed statement... It makes you a possible mafia target and hinders the towns progression.

[Mazrim]

Just a reminder that the deadline is on Tuesday, and I put it there so people don't have to feel pressure to post over the long weekend if they're out of town or busy. I won't enforce the inactivity rules during this weekend either.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm not going to convince you otherwise, even though everything I've done has been to target mafia or suspected mafia who give pretty compelling arguments that they are mafia.

You on the other hand have consistently voted with a mafia member To me where as that is suspicious as hell, I'm still convinced that Lego is mafia and the fact that the focus has moved away from him is utterly baffling, but I'm going to stick with him on that vote for now.

You could convince me otherwise, but your only defense is to attack me.

It is also interesting that someone who previously stated that mafia would not be identified by voting patterns is trying to use voting patterns to direct blame away from himself. Were you lying before to try and misdirect the town ?

Or is your assertion that one of starseed's mafia buddies plan was pushing hard to get starseed lynched while at the same time making sure they voted the same way as him?

So many logical holes in your accusation, because you are simply taking one factor into consideration. You are capable of entirely detailed and we'll thought out posts everywhere on this forum but this thread where you are doing nothing more than slinging mud the entire time, most of which with not much more than thread bare reasoning. If you wondered why no one is jumping on your train, that's why.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

Are you saying you knew townies who were going to be targeted by either group? Unless you're psychic, you don't. Everything is up in the air.

I placed votes each night to protect people who I felt were Town based on the same obscure details we all had. These same obscure details that also resulted in us very townsfolk killing our own people. Obviously, with the revelation that INEEDANOTHER was town I saved him night 1 and 2. I saw he wasn't being targeted and saved two others nights 3 and 4 who I felt were strong players, were helping the town, and were perhaps correct on some of their theories. They weren't targeted... I should have known they wouldn't be perhaps? I don't think so.

My only regret was not saving GGG. He was onto Starseed and I was *this close* to sending Maz his name. Alas, I chose another individual... Again, no one knows anything concrete and making the rightchoice is similar to picking the right number on a chart of random numbers.

Saying that I didn't do a good job of being doctor is crap. No one has hard information. At least I didn't save a mafia member from death.

Just to clarify, I didnt mean you were doing a bad job of being Dr, I was just saying that up until this point, there has been no real benefit to having a Doctor, so losing you wouldn't be much big thing compared to losing another townie. I, of all people, realize how much of a crap shoot this entire thing is. Even when you are sure of something you can be totally wrong.

It really doesn't matter at this point since there is no way you survive the night given the logic that was laid out.

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

I am actually stunned at how easy you guys are buying into Baxter's BS.

Baxter votes every time to lynch town. Reading Baxter's posts shows a demonstrated history of railroading townspeople. Baxter gets called out and people respond by voting for him.

His incontrovertible proof that he's town? He says "I'm the doctor" and everyone backs off. The fact he goes with this tactic is (a) an obvious ploy, and (b) one massive coincidence that the guy people find most suspicious just happens to be the doctor.

Again, I'm totally blown away. Of course the mafia people are railing against me now that I posted what I did. Go back and look at their "analysis" of the situation and you'll see they have offered nothing that actually has helped the town at any point. If I were not fairly certain as to the identities of mafia people, I would not name 5 names, because I am pretty much guaranteeing they turn their attention on me.

I would never post such an attention-grabbing post if I was mafia; it's a terrible tactic. But you know what I would do if I were mafia and had my back against the wall? CLAIM I AM THE DOCTOR OR OFFICER. In fact, I am sure the only reason Baxter didn't claim he was the officer is because he would rouse a massive amount of suspicion when he names a bunch of people who go "What? I'm not mafia!"

Again, I am blown away by how easily you guys are being fooled by his schtick.

[jayswin]

I don't see any way that CrazyBaconLegs isn't mafia at this point. If he isn't he sure is acting strange for a townie. For some reason he's still flying under the radar. Like his actions are so obvious, I'll lay it out again, just so it stays in everyone's mind.

-Day 5 opens up; He immediately puts effort into making me the most obvious next vote, is clearly trying to get everyone on board, and ends the post by voting for me.

-I post very aggressively (probably a little drunk lol) after witnessing what I believe to be a very poorly played game by the town up to that point and see an opportunity to finally get some town led lynching by taking myself out of the game.

-Only caveat for CBL in my plan is that he becomes a huge target when I flip town.

-So I lay out my plan that points to likely mafia posters in both mafia groups, then vote for myself, which Undercoverbrother then agrees to as well. Now we've got 4 votes for me and it appears to be gaining traction.

-CBL comes in and lays out an absolute monster post putting blame everywhere and surprise surprise, flameswin's leading a charge to get himself out, which started with CBL's vote, yet now CBL has changed his vote at the end of his monster post.

-Coincidence? Not likely. He wanted me gone, was leading the charge to get me out..........he still claims I'm mafia in his second post, but now doesn't want the group, or himself, to vote for me now that my lynching is gaining traction?

How are you guys not seeing this? There's a lot of noise in this thread, and my post here is pretty long winded, so I'll lay his post/vote pattern out in a very simple manner, as that's the best way to see the forest for the trees in this game, I believe.

Vote/post pattern on Day 5,

Post(CBL): I believe flameswin is mafia and everyone should vote with me

Vote (CBL): flameswin

Post (flameswin): I'm not mafia, and actually I see a really good chance here to out mafia, I'm voting for myself and everyone else should to. CBL led this thing, I like it too, everyone should join in.

Vote (UCB): flameswin

Post (CBL): long winded post accusing lost of posters. Here's a quote from that post about me...

flameswin: Voted three times to lynch town, then voted to lynch starseed. Patterns are pointed out and he immediately launches into attacks on the people questioning his behaviour. There are ways in which I think people tend to react when falsely accused, and they don’t fit with flameswin’s lashing out behaviour. I have said it before, and I repeat: flameswin would not play this way if he were town. I’m afraid I just don’t buy it. The only think I am not necessarily sure of is whether he is Barrow or Parker, although I have mostly made up my mind. I lean heavily toward him being Barrow, for reasons below. It’s the “starseed seems pretty townie today” business that makes me suspicious as to which faction he is.

- vote (CBL): BaxterRenegade


It'd be one thing if he changed his mind and thought I was less mafia like after my posts, but he didn't, he clearly states that he's convinced I'm mafia, yet decided to switch his vote after my lynching gained traction. How is that not obvious to everyone? That's as plain as day.

"flameswin is my target, vote flameswin"

"uh oh, flameswin is on board for his own lynching and oh crap UCB just voted, too"

"Better put a tonne of effort into swaying the vote away from him, but I don't want to make it seem like I've changed my views on him"

"I'll post a bunch of noise, but switch my vote" and get everyone going in a different direction.

"Success!"

[jayswin]

I am with CBL on one thing, though; I'm pretty damn sure Baxter is mafia and playing the town right now.

[Baxter Renegade]

Originally Posted by Crazy Bacon Legs

Again, I am blown away by how easily you guys are being fooled by his schtick.

Why are you blown away? Even if I am lying, I'm dead tonight.... I can't do any damage to the town. The other townies, who have a majority of living players, know this and are willing to let me live and potentially save a townie on night 5. Again, I die anyways.

At least now we get the opportunity to lynch a mafia member and not the guy with the most vital town role.... Its a step forward, with ZERO consequences aimed at the town, right?

Of course, with you being mafia, you're only concerned with kills that don't affect your partners.

[Rathji]

unvote

vote Crazy Bacon Legs

[Rathji]

The reason I switched is for someone to be so sure that is is lying without even acknowledging the fact that he is even possibly telling the truth since he just signed his own death warrant, he must be either insane or mafia.

[jayswin]

CrazyBaconLegs, please speak to this. If you're convinced I'm mafia, and the only thing you're unsure of is which mafia I'm part of, then why did you react to me joining my own lynch by posting a long winded post and ending it by switching your vote away from me?

You had someone in me who you were totally convinced is mafia, you were the first vote, then when you saw there were 4 votes (the most of any poster at that point) you decided to unvote and attempt to lead the charge on another poster.

It makes absolutely zero sense. None. It's a mafia shift by you, plain as day. Don't respond with an 8 paragraph noise filled post that puts blame on a million posters and doesn't actually answer the question.

Speak only to your reasoning for having a (in your eyes) guaranteed mafia kill, having your vote down, yet changing your vote and "shifting" (remember everyone, "shifting" away from anything is almost always mafia led) once the lynch gained traction, with the caveat that I was part of it?

[strombad]

What if CBL, flameswin, and BR are ALL mafia?

Dun dun dun!

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

Wow... shocking. Three of the mafia guys I called out turn to vote for me. Stunning. (<---This is SARCASM)

flameswin: I already explained. I am not certain which mafia faction you belong to. I am really certain Baxter belongs to the opposite faction from starseed. If I continued with the vote against you this round and you flip the same as starseed, it makes me look like a mafia member from the opposite faction. When I vote to lynch a member from each faction, it adds to my credibility and helps us move forward in lynching more mafia.

But I know you don't want an actual answer; you're posing rhetorical questions in the hopes that you can get townspeople to turn on me. Predictable and understandable, really. I would have been comfortable with lynching either of you guys this round, but in the long game it made more sense to knock off one fom each faction in successive votes.

As for me "responding" to your post: do you have any idea how long that post took to write? I think from the time I started to the time I ended, there were something on the order of 10-15 new posts. I wasn't responding to anything you wrote. It's just unfortunate some people fell for your "I'll vote for myself!" farce.

To the other townspeople: I plead with you again: read Baxter's posts. Look at how he railed against townspeople every round without fail. Read his interactions with people who were found to be townspeople. He's an uber-aggressive mafia member and I have no doubt that was part of their plan from the start. If he plays the doctor like this, he just doesn't know how to play the game, and I don't buy that. He's been quick to accuse townspeople of being mafia without ANY proof and then accused anyone who dared question that decision of being mafia too.

Another thing: Baxter posted speculation about what the doctor was doing in terms of protection. You know what I don't believe for a second? That the person who is the doctor would stick his neck out by posting what he thinks the doctor is doing Think about how little sense that actually makes for a moment. He's changed his tune in desperation because he knew he was about to be killed and revealed as mafia.

But I'm nearing the point where I am pretty much done trying to provide analysis to the group. I point out the only real, underlying logical analysis thus far in the game, the accused people make some lame excuses and lie some more, and everyone backs off immediately.

So I invite you to do what I asked at the beginning: read my large post, and go through Baxter Renegade's voting history and posting history. Then try to tell me he wasn't targeting vulnerable townspeople. Clearly, some people have not done this.

Barring that, go ahead and lynch me. I invite it if that's what it takes for people to wake up. It will be worth it in the end. I figured I was dead this coming night phase anyhow, but the sad reality is we're going to lose three townspeople now this round. I hope that leaves us with enough people to have a snowball's chance at winning this game.

I'll let you be the judge.

[jayswin]

Okay, and I'm fairly certain Baxter is mafia as well, so I'm not going to fight against your crusade to lynch him, but your actions are pretty clearly mafia driven, imo. And you should be the next target in day 6.

This town doesn't seem too interested in reacting to anything anyone says in this game, anyways. I think we just have kind of a weak crop of players this time that aren't that into it.

[Mazrim]

Vote Count:

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 6 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (5): CofR, ineedanother, Completely, Hockeyguy15, dissentowner

Voting:
Baxter Renegade (3): Crazy Bacon Legs, strombad, Lego Man
Lego Man (3): DropIt, CaptainCrunch, HalifaxDrunk
Crazy Bacon Legs (3): Baxter Renegade, Oling_Roachinen, Rathji
flameswin (2): flameswin, undercoverbrother
Oling_Roachinen (1): kermitology

Deadline is Tuesday, May 20th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[Lego Man]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Okay, and I'm fairly certain Baxter is mafia as well, so I'm not going to fight against your crusade to lynch him, but your actions are pretty clearly mafia driven, imo. And you should be the next target in day 6.

This town doesn't seem too interested in reacting to anything anyone says in this game, anyways. I think we just have kind of a weak crop of players this time that aren't that into it.

Put your money where your mouth is and stop voting for yourself then.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Lego Man

Put your money where your mouth is and stop voting for yourself then.

I only voted for myself once. Also, are you telling me to vote for Baxter or cbl when you say put your money where your mouth is?

[Lego Man]

Originally Posted by flameswin

I only voted for myself once. Also, are you telling me to vote for Baxter or cbl when you say put your money where your mouth is?

Baxter Renegade.

[jayswin]

Alright.

unvote

Vote Baxter renegade

[Baxter Renegade]

This is getting silly...

Haven't any of you read my recent posts? You only need to read the last couple of pages to see why voting for me is terrible for the town even if you do still suspect me of being mafia.

There is zero benefit to lynching me. The only winners here are the mafia if I'm lynched... There is no debate and lynching me makes no sense... No progress.

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