2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Vinny01]

Lindholm already has and will continue to earn generational wealth for his family but you have to kind of feel he has had bad luck when it comes to the timing of his deals. He was signed to be a 40-60 pt 2nd line C/W and he broke out as a top line player immediately which resulted in firing his agent (makes you think the Flames may have a bridge deal tabled but he was encouraged to take the long term contract). Now he is in a contract year heading toward a second straight down season after an elite performance in 2022. He already rejected a $8.5-9M offer from the Flames and will be lucky to get close to $8M on the open market. Unless a team overpays with an extension Lindholm is almost certainly going to wait to the summer and chase the biggest payday unless we trade him to a situation where he fits and they go deep/win it all this season then I can see him taking a discount to stay (especially if it is a desirable market).

[Erick Estrada]

I don't feel bad for him. The opportunity for a big payday was there this season and he couldn't elevate his game. That's not bad luck. That's just a good player that doesn't have an extra gear in him.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

To be clear, the Flames wanted Treliving back. Ownership hitched their wagon to Sutter only to have the wheels fall off weeks later. If you're going to unload on someone/something at least be mindful of the circumstances from which they're emanating from, opposed to looking for that one throat you need to choke. It was/is a mess but it's not all on Treliving. He deserves his fair share of responsibility, perhaps the most as GM, but I strongly suspect his decisions were supported by others and maybe even overrode by others.

I am sure everyone is glad that Brad is someone else’s problem now. All reports are that Brad ran a one man show when it came to hockey decision so doubt he was overruled by anyone. Sometimes he got jammed by the NHL not accepting his trades, like when he tried to get Zucker but doubt he had much internal restrictions.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I am sure everyone is glad that Brad is someone else’s problem now. All reports are that Brad ran a one man show when it came to hockey decision so doubt he was overruled by anyone. Sometimes he got jammed by the NHL not accepting his trades, like when he tried to get Zucker but doubt he had much internal restrictions.

All reports? I don’t recall seeing one.

I do recallConroy saying on ‘some things’ Treliving did make the call without much input. That said, if it is true Treliving ran the show himself, which I find is is hard to believe, then why/how did Conroy,Pascal, Snow etc stick around? If they had no say, why wouldn’t they go elsewhere, or did all of them not give a damn and were fine just to be a warm body in a chair collecting a paycheque?

That just doesn’t make sense and as I’ve said, I find it hard to believe. This smacks of Calgary Puck echo chamber to me.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

All reports? I don’t recall seeing one.

I do recallConroy saying on ‘some things’ Treliving did make the call. That said, if it is true Treliving ran the show himself, which I find is is hard to believe, then why/how did Conroy,Pascal, Snow etc stick around? If they had no say, why wouldn’t they go elsewhere, or did all of them not give a damn and we’re fine just to be a warm body in a chair collecting a paycheque?

That just doesn’t make sense and as I’ve said, I find it hard to believe.

At the end of the day, other than ownership, the GM makes the decisions. The other make recommendations .

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Lindholm will rebound when he's surrounded by high skill players and can ride shotgun again.

Still a 7-7.5 million dollar AAV player but that's the price tag for complementary players and 2A type centers.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

At the end of the day, other than ownership, the GM makes the decisions. The other make recommendations .

Yes, that’s accurate.

What isn’t accurate is saying ‘Brad ran a one man show’.

[Roof-Daddy]

That was nice of Lindholm to have outrageous contract demands and then promptly go out and have his worst season as a Flame when the Flames are clearly in a position to sell lol

Everything coming up roses for the flames, as per usual.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

That was nice of Lindholm to have outrageous contract demands and then promptly go out and have his worst season as a Flame when the Flames are clearly in a position to sell lol

Everything coming up roses for the flames, as per usual.

I don't think this seasons play drops Lindholms value trade wise. He's still a positive 200ft player despite the drop in points production. It sucks he's not taken the onus to go out and earn his next contract and over inflate his trade value, but they'll still get a good return for his services. Cap hit of 1.3 at the deadline with full retention? Yeah thats a steal for a 2nd line C on a cup run.


Preferably I hope to see Conroy offload what they going to offload well before the deadline just so they can do some things if they need to as well, before the deadline.

I've still got the Jets as the leader in Lindholm but I thought the AVS were maybe #2 but before Freidman on HNIC said it, I did post here that I felt Vancouver might be a sleeper in the Lindholm sweeps.

[dammage79]

What would a Vancouver trade look like for Lindholm?

I'm assuming max retention involved.

1st?
Kuzmenko has to be involved I think, dudes completely flatlined there.
Lekkermaki? Willander?

Maybe Raty or Podkolzin if not Lekkermakki. But what's the premium they have to ante up especially if they're offloading Kuzmenko.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by dammage79

What would a Vancouver trade look like for Lindholm?

I'm assuming max retention involved.

1st?
Kuzmenko has to be involved I think, dudes completely flatlined there.
Lekkermaki? Willander?

Maybe Raty or Podkolzin if not Lekkermakki. But what's the premium they have to ante up especially if they're offloading Kuzmenko.

I think Lekkermaki is the big prize. I don't see them moving Willander.

Lekkermaki a 2nd and Kuzmenko

[Ped]

I don't think Vancouver would want to give away a lot for a rental- and Lindholm would probably be a rental, since they still have to sign Petterson and Hronek, and looking at capfriendly, they have a lot of guys hitting UFA that would need sighing or replacing.


Myers
Cole
Lafferty
Joshua
Blueger
Zadorov
DeSmith

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Ped

I don't think Vancouver would want to give away a lot for a rental- and Lindholm would probably be a rental, since they still have to sign Petterson and Hronek, and looking at capfriendly, they have a lot of guys hitting UFA that would need sighing or replacing.


Myers
Cole
Lafferty
Joshua
Blueger
Zadorov
DeSmith

When you get a chance like Vancouver has, you have to take it. Ditto with Winnipeg. Just like the Flames did in the Toffoli and Jarnkrok year. Especially in a year where you have your best player being pretty non-committal about his future (#40).

[Vinny01]

If Pettersson wanted out of Vancouver they could get a significant haul of top end youth and extend Lindholm to not completely be forced to rebuild. Could be a decent backup plan?

Podkolzin+Kuzmenko+1st for Lindholm (Canucks can also have Greer, Ruzicka, Duehr or any other replacement player if they want).

[Ped]

Sure, but is this season's Lindholm the answer?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I see Team Negative has hijacked this thread, yay...

Reality is not negativity.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Reality is not negativity.

Oh lovely.

[FlamesAddiction]

I'm fine loading up the Canucks for a run. I know it's not ideal but for me it's anyone but Edmonton. If that means having to see the Canucks make a run in the playoffs, whatever. It would suck, but not as much as if the Oilers make a run.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Reality is not negativity.

Back from the dead

[Jiri Hrdina]

And immediately goes back to the same posting style