Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Why is Trudeau always blamed for division, and not the PPC, and guys like PP and Smith who advocate tearing down our Canadian traditions and institutions? PP calling our indigenous lazy. Like, who's more divisive? I think that's a claptrap bull#### excuse to throw at Trudeau's feet, just because he didn't go out and glad hand a bunch of angry selfish ####faces. And if you want to blame Trudeau, you can't really neglect to mention all of the above. And that really makes the whole thing moot, because the ones you aren't mentioning are far worse.

Rightfully or wrongfully things feel different with Trudeau from a separation and division. The level of acting and nonsense that has come from him is on a different level. His level of unpopularity with virtually everybody is really low, as in he is just beyond disliked.

I say it myself personally, all politicians are pigs and all pigs have the same noses. They all lie, cheat and BS without a doubt. Comparing Trudeau to other Canadian PM's we have had things are different with him. He get's openly mocked from people from the left now for things like Blackface, playing the feminist card while railroading women and abusing them. His handling of a lot of important files has left a lot of people beyond frustrated and desperate.

American and European's who look at Canada fondly are all asking why is there such vitriol towards him? Why is he beyond hated by a lot of people who actually voted for him. I believe it was a CBC interview with him where they asked why this is so personal? People can't comprehend the reaction.

He has brought out a reaction in people where they despise him. I don't agree with it at all but look at Trump and Musk. These are people who have far more important things to worry about in their lives but are taking pleasure in openly mocking him. No other Canadian PM would ever garner this level of harassment and attention from people in positions like Trump or Musk. I will repeat I do not agree with it but it's only happening to Trudeau because it's him.

Trump, who is beyond hated to a degree that isn't healthy for a lot of people, call it 50% of America, has 50% of America with support. Trudeau doesn't even have his own people and party.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

At the end of the day the fact Trump is using this particular point in time to do what he’s doing is largely due to how Trudeau and the Liberals have severely divided this country and managed it into the ground. Just not sure how that’s even debatable really.

Why is the argument that Trudeau divided this country not debatable. The group that is dividing the country is the group producing information not based in fact. This is then regurgitated and believed and used to divide the country.

Without a common set of facts how does one even begin to have a discussion.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by GGG

The group that is dividing the country is the group producing information not based in fact.

The capital gains tax was sold by Chrystia Freeland as

We are asking the wealthiest to pay their fair share

Can you please provide me with information that illustrates that her point is factual?

Since we are on the topic of information not based on fact.

[Andy83]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I would be surprised if whoever wins the Liberal leadership even has the carbon tax in their platform for the next election.

Such a terrible tax, I doubt the Liberals would even attempt to keep it past the election.

I think its pretty clear the only topic Canadians care about for the coming election, is the economy. Current polling should provide pretty direct guidance as to their views.

If a Liberal even hints at/mentions the carbon tax in the next race (other than to say its GONE), its likely the last time the majority of current liberal MPs ever set foot in the house again. Maybe they would be back as one of the people that bring the MPs their lemon water, but thats about it.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Andy83

No previous account.

New bot.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I would be surprised if whoever wins the Liberal leadership even has the carbon tax in their platform for the next election.

Such a terrible tax, I doubt the Liberals would even attempt to keep it past the election.

It’s not a terrible tax, it’s a classic conservative approach to driving behaviour, in this case the use of less carbon-intensive stuff, and is not actually responsible for the destruction of our economy. It is however political kryptonite at this point so I agree that candidates are likely to move away from it.

The CPC will need to pivot quickly from a ‘carbon tax election’ against Trudeau to something else. Build the houses, stop the crime, something the something doesn’t flow nearly as well.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by edslunch

It’s not a terrible tax, it’s a classic conservative approach to driving behaviour, in this case the use of less carbon-intensive stuff, and is not actually responsible for the destruction of our economy. It is however political kryptonite at this point so I agree that candidates are likely to move away from it.

The CPC will need to pivot quickly from a ‘carbon tax election’ against Trudeau to something else. Build the houses, stop the crime, something the something doesn’t flow nearly as well.

Well hold on a second, conservative wouldn't give the money back

Also its a terrible tax, because it won't do a lick for the climate and it's another variant that will drive up the cost of living over time.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by edslunch

It’s not a terrible tax, it’s a classic conservative approach to driving behaviour, in this case the use of less carbon-intensive stuff, and is not actually responsible for the destruction of our economy. It is however political kryptonite at this point so I agree that candidates are likely to move away from it.

The CPC will need to pivot quickly from a ‘carbon tax election’ against Trudeau to something else. Build the houses, stop the crime, something the something doesn’t flow nearly as well.

Has the carbon tax worked?

Has it been inflationary?

Has it driven up the price of goods including groceries?

Terrible tax. If it was working and was so good, the next Liberal leader would be bragging about it.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Has the carbon tax worked?

Has it been inflationary?

Has it driven up the price of goods including groceries?

Terrible tax. If it was working and was so good, the next Liberal leader would be bragging about it.

There's enough debate over whether it's good or bad, but even if it was good, the next Liberal leader wouldn't be bragging about it because it's deeply unpopular.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Ped

There's enough debate over whether it's good or bad, but even if it was good, the next Liberal leader wouldn't be bragging about it because it's deeply unpopular.

Why is it deeply unpopular?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Rightfully or wrongfully things feel different with Trudeau from a separation and division. The level of acting and nonsense that has come from him is on a different level. His level of unpopularity with virtually everybody is really low, as in he is just beyond disliked.

I say it myself personally, all politicians are pigs and all pigs have the same noses. They all lie, cheat and BS without a doubt. Comparing Trudeau to other Canadian PM's we have had things are different with him. He get's openly mocked from people from the left now for things like Blackface, playing the feminist card while railroading women and abusing them. His handling of a lot of important files has left a lot of people beyond frustrated and desperate.

American and European's who look at Canada fondly are all asking why is there such vitriol towards him? Why is he beyond hated by a lot of people who actually voted for him. I believe it was a CBC interview with him where they asked why this is so personal? People can't comprehend the reaction.

He has brought out a reaction in people where they despise him. I don't agree with it at all but look at Trump and Musk. These are people who have far more important things to worry about in their lives but are taking pleasure in openly mocking him. No other Canadian PM would ever garner this level of harassment and attention from people in positions like Trump or Musk. I will repeat I do not agree with it but it's only happening to Trudeau because it's him.

Trump, who is beyond hated to a degree that isn't healthy for a lot of people, call it 50% of America, has 50% of America with support. Trudeau doesn't even have his own people and party.

Yes, it's almost like an entire industry, complete with it's own flag factory sprung up to make sure all the simpletons knew who to hate for their woes. No other Canadian politician has had to face so many RW propaganda outlets that have been elevated and promoted by his political rivals. You will say they are the symptom, the reality is they are the cause, and all you have to do is follow the money to the doorstep of propaganda purchasers like Gwynn Morgan.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

The capital gains tax was sold by Chrystia Freeland as

Can you please provide me with information that illustrates that her point is factual?

Since we are on the topic of information not based on fact.

Is that a divisive statement?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Yes, it's almost like an entire industry, complete with it's own flag factory sprung up to make sure all the simpletons knew who to hate for their woes. No other Canadian politician has had to face so many RW propaganda outlets that have been elevated and promoted by his political rivals. You will say they are the symptom, the reality is they are the cause, and all you have to do is follow the money to the doorstep of propaganda purchasers like Gwynn Morgan.

He faced all of the redicule because he’s an idiot.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Yes, it's almost like an entire industry, complete with it's own flag factory sprung up to make sure all the simpletons knew who to hate for their woes. No other Canadian politician has had to face so many RW propaganda outlets that have been elevated and promoted by his political rivals. You will say they are the symptom, the reality is they are the cause, and all you have to do is follow the money to the doorstep of propaganda purchasers like Gwynn Morgan.

I knew it wasn’t Trudeau’s fault.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I knew it wasn’t Trudeau’s fault.

Do you think #### Trudeau was an appropriate way to express dissatisfaction with policy? Why do you think the hated of Trudeau became much more personal then it did with Mulruny Campbell, Chrétien Martin, Harper, or even Trudeau Sr?

[dieHARDflameZ]

Are people seriously feeling sorry for Trudeau?

[Fuzz]

I'm just pointing out reality.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by GGG

Is that a divisive statement?

It is if it's held to your standard, yup.

let me remind you

The group that is dividing the country is the group producing information not based in fact

Its even worse than information, it's policy not based on fact.

Got a litany of examples so lets hurry, prove that statement to be FACT

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by GGG

Do you think #### Trudeau was an appropriate way to express dissatisfaction with policy? Why do you think the hated of Trudeau became much more personal then it did with Mulruny Campbell, Chrétien Martin, Harper, or even Trudeau Sr?

No, I don’t. I never had any #### Trudeau garb, nor would I put that (or any) bumper sticker on my vehicle.

I honestly think that he became so hated in the end because he held on for far too long. Polling for the past year showed exactly how the country felt about him.

He is also so unpopular because he put him own interests ahead of the country. He even put his own interests ahead of the Liberal party.


Edit;

Members of his own party even hated him in the end, so it’s kinda a ‘you made your bed’ situation.

I don’t feel sorry for him for putting his own interests ahead of Canadians.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GGG

Is that a divisive statement?

The policy was divisive by design in pinning the haves vs the have nots, rich neighbour vs poor neighbour.
This Liberal regime did this a lot and were never shy about blaming landlords, business owners, small corporations, anyone with investments for all of our problems.

They were divisive.