Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Cool Story Bro, Klein, used to come into my rugby club's clubhouse after the bars closed to keep drinking when he was mayor.

A man of the people!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

A man of the people!

I'm not 100% sure the company is what drew him to the location.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If people think it through, they'd recognize this wasn't the fault of the NDP. It was a global issue. It was also an inevitable fundamental shift in the Alberta oil industry, with consolidation and a refocusing on big players. This began after the previous oil crash, and was hastened by the collapse in prices.

But hey, easier to blame the NDP.

Some was definitely her fault. There was no need for a royalty review for one thing. The review certainly never supported what Notley suspected...that royalties collected were far too low. She had fumbles the first years but did support oil and gas the last two years and at least got some moving by rail.

I will vote NDP this coming election. I simply cannot hold my nose and vote for Smith.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I'm not 100% sure the company is what drew him to the location.

That's because it was the Hornets! (j/k, Hornets were always good dudes)

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Outside of Notley's brief stint, I haven't like an Alberta Premier since Klein

You liked Notley? Weird. I feel way too many here are romanticizing her tenure. If she was that good she would have got another term end of story. No different then when Nenshi was mayor of Calgary. He wasn't super popular with everyone and had his bad moments but he was never bad enough for the dissenters to be able to get him out. Notley made it too easy for Albertans to go back to a Conservative government because she just wasn't good enough to convince Albertans that they could do worse.

[Slava]

Smith is to run in Brooks-Medicine Hat as the MLA there is resigning. Barry Mori####a (Alberta Party) was the mayor of Brooks, so he could run there as well.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Slava

Smith is to run in Brooks-Medicine Hat as the MLA there is resigning. Barry Mori####a (Alberta Party) was the mayor of Brooks, so he could run there as well.

Okay, seriously, this forum really needs to stop with the infantile swear filter if they can't at least get it not to censor within names and other words.

[Muta]

Remember when the UCP just casually threw, and lost, $1.4B of our money at a pipeline that everyone knew wouldn't get built? That's a ten-digit investment that could have funded everything from affordable housing, to tech incubation, to critical infrastructure, to fixing our health care system, to literally anything else that we need.

"BuT ThE RoYaLtY ReViEw"

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Muta

Remember when the UCP just casually threw, and lost, $1.4B of our money at a pipeline that everyone knew wouldn't get built? That's a ten-digit investment that could have funded everything from affordable housing, to tech incubation, to critical infrastructure, to fixing our health care system, to literally anything else that we need.

"BuT ThE RoYaLtY ReViEw"

Both were wrong, not just one.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by redforever

Some was definitely her fault. There was no need for a royalty review for one thing. The review certainly never supported what Notley suspected...that royalties collected were far too low. She had fumbles the first years but did support oil and gas the last two years and at least got some moving by rail.

I will vote NDP this coming election. I simply cannot hold my nose and vote for Smith.

While the royalty review turned out to be unnecessary, and I do recognize companies may have paused some actions during that uncertain period, I think it can be argued the outcome for the industry wouldn't have been all that different had the review never happened. It was inevitable given the low oil prices and events of the past that the industry was going to change drastically, and that was already well underway.

I don't want to gloss over the warts of the NDP, they certainly made some poor decisions. But as a whole I felt like they were looking out for every day Albertans far more than the alternatives. And I'm pretty certain that will be the case in the future, given Notley V Smith.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You liked Notley? Weird. I feel way too many here are romanticizing her tenure. If she was that good she would have got another term end of story. No different then when Nenshi was mayor of Calgary. He wasn't super popular with everyone and had his bad moments but he was never bad enough for the dissenters to be able to get him out. Notley made it too easy for Albertans to go back to a Conservative government because she just wasn't good enough to convince Albertans that they could do worse.

Notley was great. It was her team of young MLA's who struggled.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You liked Notley? Weird. I feel way too many here are romanticizing her tenure. If she was that good she would have got another term end of story. No different then when Nenshi was mayor of Calgary. He wasn't super popular with everyone and had his bad moments but he was never bad enough for the dissenters to be able to get him out. Notley made it too easy for Albertans to go back to a Conservative government because she just wasn't good enough to convince Albertans that they could do worse.

I think she had a rough 1st 2 years but after that she was pretty good.

She got unions to freeze wages, she gave Trudeau the political cover to buy a pipeline, she handled the BC premier fairly well at the time standing up for Alberta rights.

I don’t mind the royalty review as it improved the gas side of the structure and was evidence that Notley was an evidenced based premier. She went in with prior assumptions, did the review, then followed expert advice. That alone should be a huge reason to vote for her this time. When presented with contradictory information she changed her mind rather than dug in.

Now PPAs and lightbulbs were awful and handled poorly and I prefer Tier over the quartile system for large emitters.

I do agree that Notley did not do enough and had screwups that made it difficult to continue to support her. I was hoping for 3rd party break through but that didn’t happen.

I think we have a clear choice now. Would you rather have Notleys 4 years or would you rather have a worse version of Kenny who wants to pass this sovereignty act. I think an election has never had more clear choices and I look forward to the discussion about why you would vote for someone rather than vote against the NDP or the UCP.

There is a clear and significant difference in vision you get to pick one

[Fuzz]

People complain about the uncertainty the royalty review had for businesses, but WTF do they think the sovereignty act is going to do? Y'all know I am one of Kenney's biggest critics, but he has worked hard the past year to bring new businesses and companies to Alberta. What do you suppose they are thinking now? Uncertainty.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

People complain about the uncertainty the royalty review had for businesses, but WTF do they think the sovereignty act is going to do? Y'all know I am one of Kenney's biggest critics, but he has worked hard the past year to bring new businesses and companies to Alberta. What do you suppose they are thinking now? Uncertainty.

Exactly this. How does any of this give us a more pro-investment environment? Baffling. Companies love uncertainty!

Can't forget the same thing that happened during the royalty review happened when Kenny was fighting against the Carbon Tax as well. Tons of companies pleaded for it, wanting to know what the hell was going to be required of them, etc, but no we kept touting we'll fight it and we'll never accept it. That fight went on longer than the royalty review and held up some capital investment into carbon related projects as well.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

People complain about the uncertainty the royalty review had for businesses, but WTF do they think the sovereignty act is going to do? Y'all know I am one of Kenney's biggest critics, but he has worked hard the past year to bring new businesses and companies to Alberta. What do you suppose they are thinking now? Uncertainty.

People want Quebec's political climate but forget that a big reason Quebec's economy sucks is a direct result of it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think she had a rough 1st 2 years but after that she was pretty good.

She got unions to freeze wages, she gave Trudeau the political cover to buy a pipeline, she handled the BC premier fairly well at the time standing up for Alberta rights.

I don’t mind the royalty review as it improved the gas side of the structure and was evidence that Notley was an evidenced based premier. She went in with prior assumptions, did the review, then followed expert advice. That alone should be a huge reason to vote for her this time. When presented with contradictory information she changed her mind rather than dug in.

Now PPAs and lightbulbs were awful and handled poorly and I prefer Tier over the quartile system for large emitters.

I do agree that Notley did not do enough and had screwups that made it difficult to continue to support her. I was hoping for 3rd party break through but that didn’t happen.

I think we have a clear choice now. Would you rather have Notleys 4 years or would you rather have a worse version of Kenny who wants to pass this sovereignty act. I think an election has never had more clear choices and I look forward to the discussion about why you would vote for someone rather than vote against the NDP or the UCP.

There is a clear and significant difference in vision you get to pick one

Remember that time she told Albertans to move to BC until the Economy got better?

That being said, she wizened up in years 3 and 4 and her surrounding team were just completely clueless. Who was it that she launched at the podium every time there were bullets to take? I forget her name.

Even with all of that, I dont think there is anything in this world that could convince me to vote for Danielle Smith.

She is like a caricature of a villainous politician. And she went to Bishop Carroll.

[powderjunkie]

I think we also need to acknowledge that Notley was taking over from a four decade dynasty and all of the entrenchments associated with such a prolonged period without any change in governance. Institutions within most other political jurisdictions are used to a change every decade or so. Remember the truckloads of shredded documents?

Another point to remember is that her party went from decades with 0% chance of forming gov't to a landslide overnight. A legislature full of rookies. Perhaps this isn't a valid 'excuse', but I think it's reasonable to at least consider as part of the context for her term.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I think we also need to acknowledge that Notley was taking over from a four decade dynasty and all of the entrenchments associated with such a prolonged period without any change in governance. Institutions within most other political jurisdictions are used to a change every decade or so. Remember the truckloads of shredded documents?

Another point to remember is that her party went from decades with 0% chance of forming gov't to a landslide overnight. A legislature full of rookies. Perhaps this isn't a valid 'excuse', but I think it's reasonable to at least consider as part of the context for her term.

But the UCP had seasoned politicians on their side and look where that got us.

[White Out 403]

BuT ThE RoYaLtY ReViEw
is seriously "but her emails"

Just as dumb maybe dumber

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So what point are you trying to make?

That they don't understand the difference between correlation and causation?