07-22-2022, 04:57 PM
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#1681
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Can someone in the know outline the key dates here. What happens with the scenario of Tkachuk not signing his QO, going through arbitration, not signing any deal, and not yet been traded come game 1 of the season. Does he sit?
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Arbitration can only mean one thing, war, err contract.
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07-22-2022, 05:05 PM
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#1682
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor
Arbitration can only mean one thing, war, err contract.
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So he has to be traded before the arbitration award or else we get stuck with his 1 year deal that’s less valuable to move because then the acquiring team has to wait till January to extend?
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07-22-2022, 05:06 PM
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#1683
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
If I could pick any of the rumoured deals I prefer Bratt, Holtz, 2023 1st. F it, let's go Swedish wave.
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Canadians, Swedes, Finns, Czechs, Slovaks, Swiss, Danes, Norwegians, Frenchmen, Russians, Slovenians, Ukrainians - I’d be looking at all these places ahead of Americans at this point.
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07-22-2022, 05:07 PM
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#1684
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Canadians, Swedes, Finns, Czechs, Slovaks, Swiss, Danes, Norwegians, Frenchmen, Russians, Slovenians, Ukrainians - I’d be looking at all these places ahead of Americans at this point.
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How about Brazilians? That's worked out for us in the past.
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07-22-2022, 05:15 PM
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#1685
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Canadians, Swedes, Finns, Czechs, Slovaks, Swiss, Danes, Norwegians, Frenchmen, Russians, Slovenians, Ukrainians - I’d be looking at all these places ahead of Americans at this point.
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Nope.
If an American is the best player available you take him - hard stop.
In 2011 the best non-American taken after Gaudreau was Emil Molin
In 2016 the best non-American taken after Tkachuk was Alexander Nylander.
In 2016 the best non-American taken after Fox was Cliff Pu.
Doesn’t matter if the American might leave in UFA or might not sign, in the end if they are the best player you’ll get more value out of them than a bust.
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07-22-2022, 05:16 PM
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#1686
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
How about Brazilians? That's worked out for us in the past.
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The only reason Robyn Regher wasn't faster was because his ears would make him fly
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07-22-2022, 05:19 PM
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#1687
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Nope.
If an American is the best player available you take him - hard stop.
In 2011 the best non-American taken after Gaudreau was Emil Molin
In 2016 the best non-American taken after Tkachuk was Alexander Nylander.
In 2016 the best non-American taken after Fox was Cliff Pu.
Doesn’t matter if the American might leave in UFA or might not sign, in the end if they are the best player you’ll get more value out of them than a bust.
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While I agree with this, another strategy worth considering is moving up or down in the draft via trade if you think your pick will line up such that an American will be the best player available at that time.
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07-22-2022, 05:24 PM
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#1688
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Just pick the best player available. They don't need to over think this.
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07-22-2022, 05:59 PM
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#1689
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluzman
He can sit in the press box eating popcorn until a deal is made.
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Since he can’t sign a contract , the offers will be even lower.
And sitting him will not increase his value come Jan 1.
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07-22-2022, 06:09 PM
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#1690
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
Since he can’t sign a contract , the offers will be even lower.
And sitting him will not increase his value come Jan 1.
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The only way the Flames are going to get anything of value is if Tkachuk found a team he likes and signed a long term contract
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07-22-2022, 06:12 PM
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#1691
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
Just pick the best player available. They don't need to over think this.
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LOL, can you imagine, "well, this guy is clearly ranked higher, but he's American, and might leave us 7 years later. Let's go for the lower guy just in case the American turns into a superstar while playing for us."
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07-22-2022, 06:22 PM
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#1692
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Franchise Player
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I'd say this will easily be the most valuable asset the Flames have ever traded?
24 year old former 6th overall pick coming off a 42 goal, 104 point season.
Especially if he has provided a few teams that he is willing to sign an 8 year extension with.
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07-22-2022, 06:22 PM
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#1693
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Yen Man
LOL, can you imagine, "well, this guy is clearly ranked higher, but he's American, and might leave us 7 years later. Let's go for the lower guy just in case the American turns into a superstar while playing for us."
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Need to plan for when we don’t have a plan to maximize asset value in 7 years. Picking the inferior player may be the best plan given our track record.
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07-22-2022, 06:28 PM
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#1694
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I believe in the Jays.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Kitsilano
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
Just pick the best player available. They don't need to over think this.
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100% Just stop trading away all your draft picks so you can at least have some insulation from inevitable departures of top players, which for any team is likely bound to happen at some point. Accumulate draft picks, let your scouting staff which has shown to be quite capable at identifying talent so it’s job, don’t leave yourself in situations where you have to fill important positions with UFAs because you will have to overpay because we are a small market team. Operate as if you are a small market team, because you are.
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07-22-2022, 06:44 PM
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#1695
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor
The only reason Robyn Regher wasn't faster was because his ears would make him fly
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Willi Plett
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07-22-2022, 06:47 PM
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#1696
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Owen15
Willi Plett
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Damn, I thought he was from Brazil. Fact check… Paraguay.
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07-22-2022, 06:59 PM
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#1697
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Franchise Player
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Listened to the Ryan Leslie interview with Andy Strickland. A lot of rambling company man speak. The man is physically incapable of saying something that makes anyone uncomfortable.
However he thinks Arizona, New Jersey and Boston are three of the teams on Tkachuk's list besides St. Louis.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JobHopper
The thing is, my posts, thoughts and insights may be my opinions but they're also quite factual.
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07-22-2022, 07:03 PM
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#1698
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saillias
Listened to the Ryan Leslie interview with Andy Strickland. A lot of rambling company man speak. The man is physically incapable of saying something that makes anyone uncomfortable.
However he thinks Arizona, New Jersey and Boston are three of the teams on Tkachuk's list besides St. Louis.
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Arizona? Now their 1st in 2023 is definitely yummy! Even with adding Tkachuk that is still a shot at Bedard.
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07-22-2022, 07:04 PM
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#1699
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flames Town
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It would be pretty hilarious if Gaudreau and Tkachuk leave Calgary to go play in Columbus and Arizona.
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07-22-2022, 07:07 PM
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#1700
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Arizona? Now their 1st in 2023 is definitely yummy! Even with adding Tkachuk that is still a shot at Bedard.
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Zero chance it would not be protected.
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