Since the policies never made any sense in the first place (what risk in there in somebody setting foot on a lease 8 days after they smoked pot?), I don't have a lot of confidence they'll be overturned. The companies can set whatever policies they want regarding substance use, and I expect they will continue to do so. My guess is it will take 5-10 years of management turnover and changing corporate attitudes for pot to really be regarded the same way alcohol is.
I'm not sure what relevance this has to legalization debate. If a company has a clearly outlined policy, it's up to the employee to follow it.
I'm not sure what relevance this has to legalization debate. If a company has a clearly outlined policy, it's up to the employee to follow it.
The discussion turned to why people would continue to buy pot from their buddy Terry rather than from a retail seller. I'm suggesting one of the merits of buddy Terry is it's secret, as there is still a stigma around pot in some elements of society, including the corporate world. I'm confident there's a wide gap in how many people in Canada smoke pot and how many are comfortable with it being public knowledge that they smoke pot. And that won't change anytime soon.
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The discussion turned to why people would continue to buy pot from their buddy Terry rather than from a retail seller. I'm suggesting one of the merits of buddy Terry is it's secret, as there is still a stigma around pot in some elements of society, including the corporate world.
Do you think that those people will represent a sizable and statistically significant portion of marijuana users though?
The discussion turned to why people would continue to buy pot from their buddy Terry rather than from a retail seller. I'm suggesting one of the merits of buddy Terry is it's secret, as there is still a stigma around pot in some elements of society, including the corporate world. I'm confident there's a wide gap in how many people in Canada smoke pot and how many are comfortable with it being public knowledge that they smoke pot. And that won't change anytime soon.
Really? Do you think you'd recognize a random stranger you saw in a store if you saw them again two weeks later at the airport, and also be able to place the store you saw them at?
That wasn't supposed to be taken literally, just an example of some areas where people may not be as excited about recreational use.
Like the Amazon-phenomenon, I can only assume that once legalized, 80%+ of users will be ordering it online, particularly those who equate buying pot from a brick and mortar store with walking out of said store with a neon green dildo.
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But pot still carries a social stigma. I know I'd feel awkward if I was seen walking out of a pot store by my boss, my in-laws, or one of my kids' teachers. A lot of companies in the energy industry have policies where you can face sanction, including firing, if you use marijuana. I've never heard any of my co-workers in corporate Calgary mention smoking pot, even though people talk about drinking all the time. Some of them must occasionally smoke pot. But it's kept secret. And I'm betting it will continue to be kept secret, even after pot is legalized.
So absolutely false it's hilarious. As soon as those corporate parties dwittle down to the people in their 20's and 30's, or really when the number dips below 10 people, the truth really start to comes out. I worked in investment banking for 6 years. Most people in that category are somewhere in the spectrum of everyday to at parties sometimes.
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Most people who smoke pot regularly have a reliable and convenient supplier. They swing over to their buddy Terry's place once in a while, get what they need, and are on their way. No hassle or risk. And the only one who knows is Terry.
As someone who operated this way for years and now lives in Vancouver I strongly, strongly disagree. The dispensaries not only carry a variety of strains (good luck trying to find CBD bud on the street) and knowledgeable staff about the effects, they carry all sorts of healthier options for intake including disposable vaporizors, pain creams, cooking oils, honey, iced tea. They check ID every time you're in. These are only good things.
I just got back from Hawaii (North Shore) and spent the whole trip clean but wanted to have some on the deck with my dad and brothers while we watched the sunset on the last night. So I stroll into town looking for some weed. Something growing everywhere on this island. There's a pipe shop, so I go in ask the store owner. "I can't legally tell you where to get it. But'd I'd say just ask around." So i walk the beach and ask a few people who look like they might have some. "No. I wish." Literally every response everyone from teenagers to old dudes living in tents on the beach. Walk by a yard where there are some rough looking people just chilling in their front yard. I lean over the fence, "Hey, got any bud?" They look around super suspicious. I'm a pretty well dressed guy and theyre definitely on the lower end of the economic ladder. "You a cop?" I assure them multiple times no, I'm a Canadian tourist. "Okay. I know a guy he's just over there tho. $20 I'll be back in 6 minutes." He hops on his scooter. I say I'll just meet him over there. He tries to insist that He be a delivery man for me, or at least give a ride on his scooter, I still refuse and say I'll walk over to wherever he parks. He agrees and speeds away. He rolls over to the same old dudes in the tent I spoke to a few minutes before. I sit outside their little village while buddy chats with them. He comes back, "okay, $20 and I'll get it for you." "No man, I need to see some green before I show you any money." "You sure you're not a cop." "No, but I'm not stupid." He sighs goes and gets the weed finally we swap under hands and I walk away. If I was anyone else that hadn't much experience with weed and just wanted to get into the North Shore culture a bit, they would have most assuredly been robbed. And that guy definitely wouldn't have given a fat f*** if I was 12 or 70.
Tell me how this is better?
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So absolutely false it's hilarious. As soon as those corporate parties dwittle down to the people in their 20's and 30's, or really when the number dips below 10 people, the truth really start to comes out. I worked in investment banking for 6 years. Most people in that category are somewhere in the spectrum of everyday to at parties sometimes.
Well, my experience is my experience. And I do more office socializing and partying than most. Maybe it's the fact my experience in the last 12 years has been in the Calgary energy industry, where booze flows like mother's milk, but pot is taboo (probably because many companies test for it).
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Well, my experience is my experience. And I do more office socializing and partying than most. Maybe it's the fact my experience in the last 12 years has been in the Calgary energy industry, where booze flows like mother's milk, but pot is taboo (probably because many companies test for it).
Yeah that's probably it. A lot of my friends who enjoyed the occasional joint had to give it up completely when going into oil and gas and now just don't really anymore. Which is fine.
Like the Amazon-phenomenon, I can only assume that once legalized, 80%+ of users will be ordering it online, particularly those who equate buying pot from a brick and mortar store with walking out of said store with a neon green dildo.
I'll walk out while smoking out of a neon green dildo. But honestly even when I got my prescription it was always on my mind that it was on my "record" now. My family doctor sees it and I don't know his opinion on it, I assume it should be reported to my life insurance company since also. Once legalized there is or shouldn't be any tracking of who is buying and using so it shouldn't be an issue. Terry is going to be looking for a new job.
I'll walk out while smoking out of a neon green dildo. But honestly even when I got my prescription it was always on my mind that it was on my "record" now. My family doctor sees it and I don't know his opinion on it, I assume it should be reported to my life insurance company since also. Once legalized there is or shouldn't be any tracking of who is buying and using so it shouldn't be an issue. Terry is going to be looking for a new job.
I wonder if insurance companies will treat it like smoking (based on the smoking component of consumption) and have higher rates?
This is not my.top priority I would like to see the government tackle but It is top 5 . Such a waste of time for our legal system to waste on enforcimg the prohibition and loss of profit to for the government capitalize on.
Bill hicks said it best.
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Well I mean that's just common sense, but an employer can't mandate recreational usage of really, anything, outside the workplace, as long as you don't exceed minimum residual levels while in the workplace.
I'm speaking more to zero-tolerance policies where if you test positive for pot usage in the last 30 days (but have no current impairment during testing/working hours) resulting in termination. Those will be (hopefully) a relic.
I don't know, there's going to have to be a pretty big shift in what is allowable in your system when you're working. We have a zero limit for alcohol and drugs for our crews, and the impairment level for alcohol isn't zero. If that limit has always been zero while alcohol is legal, why would legalizing pot be anything different?
I don't know, there are smarter people than me figuring this out, but I don't see any changes coming any time soon to our D&A policy. Legalized or no.
I don't know, there's going to have to be a pretty big shift in what is allowable in your system when you're working. We have a zero limit for alcohol and drugs for our crews, and the impairment level for alcohol isn't zero. If that limit has always been zero while alcohol is legal, why would legalizing pot be anything different?
I don't know, there are smarter people than me figuring this out, but I don't see any changes coming any time soon to our D&A policy. Legalized or no.
Alcohol leaves the system so quickly though, while pot does not. However, impairment from pot scales out of the system at about the same rate as alcohol. If I get high the night before I go to work, then show in the morning sober as a gopher, is it reasonable to fire me because of the residuals?
I have to feel like at some point, common sense would take over.
Really? You think corporate policy is ever based on common sense? Sounds like wishful thinking.
There will have to be studies and reports and honestly, quite a bit of time, before corporations change their minds on what levels constitute impairment.
On another note, one of my guys was telling me that in Fort Mac a lot of guys are smoking a lot stronger stuff that leaves their system within 24 hours. Maybe just folklore, I don't know. I am woefully ignorant in the ways of weed.
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I'm pretty sure there are more people that smoke than most realize. I work in a corporate setting and I would guess that between 10-20% of people I know smoke. And that's when its illegal. I'd say its those same percentages for my family also.
Also, you can buy the stuff online without any sort of prescription or card. Don't know how or why thats possible but it is. And to me that beats any other option at the moment. Plus, you have a much better idea of what you're getting.
I am curious though, regarding the black market, how all these 'suppliers' feel about next July. Do they think they'll still have customers? Have they realized the end is near for them? Will be interesting regardless.
As for the D&A testing, the goal SHOULD be to determine whether you are fit for duty on that work day. So it only makes sense to test with that in mind. The simple solution is to do away with the urine test and utilize one of the other methods to determine whether or not the person is currently under the influence.
I have to feel like at some point, common sense would take over.
Why start now? A buddy of mine does seismic surveying. He also smokes pot (though never when he's out in the field). Every time he gets a call to go out for a job, he gets drug tested. That means if he smoked pot six days ago, it's going to show up. So he takes masking agents to try to get past the tests. Why do energy companies care if a guy doing surveying smoked pot a week before he goes out in the field? Who knows. But they do. And their policies have stood up to challenges for decades.
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Why start now? A buddy of mine does seismic surveying. He also smokes pot (though never when he's out in the field). Every time he gets a call to go out for a job, he gets drug tested. That means if he smoked pot six days ago, it's going to show up. So he takes masking agents to try to get past the tests. Why do energy companies care if a guy doing surveying smoked pot a week before he goes out in the field? Who knows. But they do. And their policies have stood up to challenges for decades.
Those policies make sense for an illegal substance, but when pot is legal there's no way the current testing method can work. It would be the equivalent of testing for alcohol and if you had a drink in the last 6 days you'd fail. No way they'll do that.
I wouldn't doubt if these companies already have a plan in place come July 2018.
