Edmonton is No Good XII: "I Dunno.. it's Just Not Good."

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Why would any team would want to re-sign Perry at this point when the guy is clearly cursed in regards to the Cup finals. If I were the Oilers I'd cut him loose immediately. But it's the Oilers, so of course they're gonna try and run it back with all the same losers again.


Edmonton is no good.

They're just keeping up their effort from game 6.

"We kept ####ing trying the same thing over and over again, banging our heads against the wall."

[dustygoon]

Why would McDavid sign a short term deal vs just playing out the last year of this one and seeing where things stand? A little more risk if he's injured, but i can't see him tying himself to this franchise until he sees if a new goalie is the answer.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Why would McDavid sign a short term deal vs just playing out the last year of this one and seeing where things stand? A little more risk if he's injured, but i can't see him tying himself to this franchise until he sees if a new goalie is the answer.

Exactly. He already has a 1 yr deal that is paying him $12.5M - if we wants to give EDM time to build a better team, he is already there.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Why would McDavid sign a short term deal vs just playing out the last year of this one and seeing where things stand? A little more risk if he's injured, but i can't see him tying himself to this franchise until he sees if a new goalie is the answer.

Honestly? Because they ride the guy 20+ minutes a night and he isn't getting younger and healthier.

I'm sorry and its just my opinion, but I think when McDavid goes down...its going to be a very long fall.

I'd take the money.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by indes

I think it would be insane.

Guaranteed $128M (8x16)
vs
Guaranteed $32M (2x16) +
Possible $132M (8x16.5)

He could get injured or sick and miss out on $96 MILLION. No one in their right mind takes $164M possible dollars instead of a guaranteed $128M. It's not even just a career ending injury. He could get ill like Toews, cancer like Mario, Blood clots, heart conditions - He could lose part of his heel like Karlsson in those 2 years. The risk v reward isn't even close imo.

All the numbers I used are 14% of the cap, which is where he is now and where I think teams will keep it, to try and be competitive. He's McDavid but I don't think any team is going to sign him much higher than that because they'll never have a chance at winning.

Let’s say he blows his ACL next year or is concussed. Multiple teams would still sign him to 8 x 12.5 not knowing the outcome. Look at Eichel, Vegas still gave up significant assets for him despite the neck risks.

So the bet isn’t 128 vs 164/0. It’s more like 100 floor 168 peak. He likely could insure himself for future earnings for less money then the difference between the two options presented and turn both options into guaranteed pay days.

[RedHot25]

Amazing.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1936110177935319233

https://twitter.com/user/status/1936115525110972514

The answer, my friends, is more forwards. That will do it. Solve it all.

[Groot]

I have no idea how McDavid, or anyone, looks past this upcoming season and sees any path to success for the Oilers. Even next year is questionable at best, then it's a total wasteland.

Here's the roster as it stands today if McDavid extends for 2026/2027 season, with Bouchard extended. Ages at start of the season in brackets.

Hyman (34) - McDavid (29) - ???
Nugent-Hopkins (33) - Draisatl (30) - ???
Janmark (33) - Frederic (28) - ???
??? - ??? - ???
???

Nurse (31) - Bouchard (26)
??? - ???
??? - ???
???

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They have no prospects. They have 1 pick in the first 5 rounds this draft (St Louis 3rd). They have a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 5th next draft. At least they have their 6th and 7th round picks each year! They have no trade capital other than expiring contracts on useless players.

They will have to build out the entire geriatric team with UFA's. A proven path to success /s

The beginning of the end is here and McDavid either rides this elevator to the basement or jumps off next season.

[topfiverecords]

You forgot future Norris winner Emberson. He’ll be the one to keep them winning conferences.

[ForeverFlameFan]

McDavid is a certified idiot if he takes any kind of deal prior to exploring his opportunities ANYWHERE in the league.

He might be the only player in history that has ALL 32 teams offering 20% of the cap (max $’s per CBA) x 7 years. That’s almost 20m per season. He would be a fool to take a discount and stay with Edmonton for the rumored 5 years. That’s soooo much money left off the table. The cap is going up, everyone will line up to overpay for his services.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

McDavid is a certified idiot if he takes any kind of deal prior to exploring his opportunities ANYWHERE in the league.

He might be the only player in history that has ALL 32 teams offering 20% of the cap (max $’s per CBA) x 7 years. That’s almost 20m per season. He would be a fool to take a discount and stay with Edmonton for the rumored 5 years. That’s soooo much money left off the table. The cap is going up, everyone will line up to overpay for his services.

The main advantage Edmonton has is being able to offer 8 years. If he signs for less term, he can do that anywhere. Maybe he does that in Edmonton. He already gave them a few UFA years, so he might just be that dumb.

[Reggie Dunlop]

They're going to go "big game hunting" for a goaltender. They'll end up with a middling schlep, but watch the Oiler Media pump the guy up beyond all reasonable expectations. Which naturally, will end badly.

Like Connor says "keep hitting their heads goings a brick wall."

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

McDavid is a certified idiot if he takes any kind of deal prior to exploring his opportunities ANYWHERE in the league.

He might be the only player in history that has ALL 32 teams offering 20% of the cap (max $’s per CBA) x 7 years. That’s almost 20m per season. He would be a fool to take a discount and stay with Edmonton for the rumored 5 years. That’s soooo much money left off the table. The cap is going up, everyone will line up to overpay for his services.

He stayed there for 11 seasons, he's already a certified idiot.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He stayed there for 11 seasons, he's already a certified idiot.

I don’t consider him one when he signed a 12.5 x 8. That’s 100m and a great deal for him. Now? He gets to go wherever.

[dustygoon]

If i would change one thing on that team....it's the defense but what do i know.

[All In Good Time]

Whew!!!
“The defense will have the least number of changes”
So happy to hear that. Whoever plays goal for them will continue to have no clue what their defense is doing

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Locke

Honestly? Because they ride the guy 20+ minutes a night and he isn't getting younger and healthier.

I'm sorry and its just my opinion, but I think when McDavid goes down...its going to be a very long fall.

I'd take the money.

He is already on the decline:

Regular Season
Year-------Points---Rank
2022-23 - 153 -----#1
2023-24 - 132------#3
2024-25 - 100------#6

Playoffs
Year-------Games-Points--Points/Game
2021-22----16-----33-------2.0625
2022-23 ---12-----20-------1.6667
2023-24 ---25-----42-------1.68
2024-25 ---22-----33-------1.5

I didn't include the points/game for the regular season because staying healthy is one of those things that is harder to do as a player ages.

I don't think every team would be offering him max cap for 7 years right now. If he signed a 2 year deal, which would expire after 2027-28, he may be a point per game player by then and his offers would be in line with that.

Looking at Austin Matthews, he scored 69 goals and 107 points the last year of his contract. The first year of his four year contract, he scores 33 goals and 78 points. It was his fewest number of goals in his career. If he doesn't find his old form, he will have left a lot of money on the table.

The sooner McDavid can cash in and get his long term deal, the better if he wants to maximize his income.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Groot

I have no idea how McDavid, or anyone, looks past this upcoming season and sees any path to success for the Oilers. Even next year is questionable at best, then it's a total wasteland.

Here's the roster as it stands today if McDavid extends for 2026/2027 season, with Bouchard extended. Ages at start of the season in brackets.

Hyman (34) - McDavid (29) - ???
Nugent-Hopkins (33) - Draisatl (30) - ???
Janmark (33) - Frederic (28) - ???
??? - ??? - ???
???

Nurse (31) - Bouchard (26)
??? - ???
??? - ???
???

???
???

They have no prospects. They have 1 pick in the first 5 rounds this draft (St Louis 3rd). They have a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 5th next draft. At least they have their 6th and 7th round picks each year! They have no trade capital other than expiring contracts on useless players.

They will have to build out the entire geriatric team with UFA's. A proven path to success /s

The beginning of the end is here and McDavid either rides this elevator to the basement or jumps off next season.

This has to be one of the biggest issues McDavid likely considers. The team has very, very likely peaked and there is no prospect base or picks to replenish the team even in the next 4 years (allowing at least 2 years for picks in 2027 to develop - assuming they don’t trade them). He could alternatively go to a team that can be competitive for years and has not peaked yet. A smart move would be to go for a team that’s both competitive and has young talent/picks.

[Reggie Dunlop]

The handful of prospects that they do have will be hurried into service before being ready, inevitably ruining their development.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The handful of prospects that they do have will be hurried into service before being ready, inevitably ruining their development.

They would do that either way. Might as well get it over with ASAP.

[McG]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The handful of prospects that they do have will be hurried into service before being ready, inevitably ruining their development.

And not top level prospects either meaning that they get extra expectations on them and get run out of town for “failing”.

Keep failing at draft and develop, and there you are.

Their top prospect isn’t even their own!