Should Calgary Bid on the 2026 Olympics

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

^^I agree, if you watch the council meeting, it seems like a very reasonable discussion. Not so much in here.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

Calgary 2026...just not ready.

So what you're saying is we should do it anyways? Its worked out well so far with Justin.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This 10:1 return on investment ratio sounds like something Calgary Sports and Entertainment would cook up. Are we sure Ken King isn't on the BidCo?

What’s the investment return on something like a C-train line using this type of math. It’s at least 3-1 plus all of the economic benefit from better transportation infrastructure

These types of ROI statements should be subject to securities laws.

[nik-]

this is getting a tad testy now

[Dion]

Live stream of fiasco/debate

http://www.calgary.ca/CA/city-clerks...-webcasts.aspx

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Locke

So what you're saying is we should do it anyways? Its worked out well so far with Justin.

At least we can get stoned enough to forget about it.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Can we have a separate poll now that we know what we are voting on?

[Hockeyguy15]

We know you can get insurance, we know how much it costs...But we don't know how much insurance you can get.

Kind of a big deal...

[zhulander]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

It still seems like they have no idea what this is actually going to look like. Just throwing #### at the wall desperately trying to squeeze it through, then worry about it later once they've secured hosting.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1057668591414198277

15400 jobs in the letter vs. 13057 jobs in their bid report. Cutting 1000 units of workforce housing. Adding 2343 jobs while cutting housing numbers... ...not questionable at all.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Who is on the no side that we know of? Chu, Farrell, Woolley, Farkus?

[flambers]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Who is on the no side that we know of? Chu, Farrell, Woolley, Farkus?

I would be shocked if the votes goes as "no".

It will go through, that's my bet

[troutman]

BidCo sounds like a place Coyotes get dynamite from.

[topfiverecords]

Ugggh, Woolley. Basic maths.

Edit: Eeesh this Woolley guy is not fit for this type of position.

[Hockeyguy15]

By the time this debate is over it will be time for the plebiscite.

[Senator Clay Davis]

There's not much mystery here about whether it's going to survive, they've Frankenstein'd this thing enough to ensure they have the 6 votes to proceed. Only question is will the majority still support cancelling. Either way, this whole process has cost the Yes side pretty much any slim chance they have. No one can possibly trust this bid on anything other than emotional terms, and they already had all those voters. They've shrunk their possible vote base, so the goal for them I imagine will propaganda madness, combined with hoping to depress turnout.

[GullFoss]

It seems so anti-nenshi to want the Olympics. It's so irrational of him. I don't get it. He must have reached the final stage of politician...hubris in the echo chamber.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

There's not much mystery here about whether it's going to survive, they've Frankenstein'd this thing enough to ensure that have the 6 votes to proceed. Only question is will the majority still support cancelling. Either way, this whole process has cost the Yes side pretty much any slim chance they have. No one can possibly trust this bid on anything other than emotional terms, and they already had all those voters. They've shrunk their possible vote base, so the goal for them I imagine will propaganda madness, combined with hoping to depress turnout.

I’m probably wrong, but you seem pretty sure of yourself and based on your bias, I’d be cautious.

I still think “Yes” votes are going to surprise a lot of people with how high they end up being. We’re in an age where people vote for a whole lot of things that are against their best interest *cough*Trump*cough* because it’s shiny thing that appeals to their emotions.

Not that I think the Yes vote will win, but I’m not confident in that position at all. I don’t think we have half an idea of how this is going to shake out in two weeks.

[Bunk]

I would guess:

Proceed to Plebiscite:

Nenshi
Davison
Carra
Sutherland
Chahal
Colley-Urquhart
Jones
Keating

Do not Proceed:

Chu
Farrell
Magliocca
Gondek (she's the one I'm least sure about)
Wolley
Demong
Farkas (because his idea to change the date will fail)

So probably 8-7, but maybe 9-6

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m probably wrong, but you seem pretty sure of yourself and based on your bias, I’d be cautious.

I still think “Yes” votes are going to surprise a lot of people with how high they end up being. We’re in an age where people vote for a whole lot of things that are against their best interest *cough*Trump*cough* because it’s shiny thing that appeals to their emotions.

Not that I think the Yes vote will win, but I’m not confident in that position at all. I don’t think we have half an idea of how this is going to shake out in two weeks.

But there's nothing shiny in this thing. At all. The fact all the noise and desperation is coming from the Yes side pretty much says it all. And as always with politics, if you're explaining, you're losing. And the Yes side is still explaining two weeks out. The last week sealed the deal I think, even if people wanted to deceive themselves that this can work financially, council, the province and the feds have shown trusting them to get this right is not happening.

But we'll see. And speaking of Trump and spite voting, you have to remember that voting to kill the Olympics spites Nenshi....Notley....and Trudeau. Do you know how many people in this city hate all three of those people? The spite vote is gonna be large no doubt.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Either way, this whole process has cost the Yes side pretty much any slim chance they have. No one can possibly trust this bid on anything other than emotional terms, and they already had all those voters.

I dunno man... that'll still be a lot of voters. I bet the vote will be close (one way or the other). I would have guessed a narrow "yes" a week ago, if I had to put money down now I'd probably say a narrow no. But ultimately I wouldn't make a bet because I think it's hard to say who is going to turn out for this.