I don't think anyone has been pumping their chest over his performance. One poster said he was starring in the Stanley Cup finals and that got you so bent out of shape. He was the 1st star of the game so I don't see why that was such a big deal to you.
Honestly if Canucks fans broke down Bennett in the same way I'm pretty sure the majority of people here would be laughing, calling them haters, saying they wished they had a player like Bennett. I highly doubt people would be saying ya they are right that's how the plays broke down. Very fair analysis. Just a bit hypocritical in my eyes. But hey if you disagree that's your right.
No, instead we have you, a Canucks fan, pumping the tires on one player, passed over by the Flames, because of box score statistics, and then marginalizing a Flames draft pick without ever seeing him. I'm not sure what you call that, but it annoying as hell to this Flames fan.
Honestly if Canucks fans broke down Bennett in the same way I'm pretty sure the majority of people here would be laughing, calling them haters, saying they wished they had a player like Bennett.
If Canucks fans broke down Markus Granlund in the same way, I'm pretty sure the majority of people here would be like ".. fair point".
If Canucks fans broke down Sam Bennett in the same way, they would realize Sam Bennett is heavily involved in plays whether it's digging for pucks on the forecheck, screening the goaltender (like Russell's GW over Lack in Game 1), cycling the puck, crashing the net for rebounds. You know, all things that extend beyond the box score.
The idea you're proposing, that Teuvo Teravainen would have Flames fans more excited than Sam Bennett, never mind Jankowski, is nothing short of hilarious.
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No, instead we have you, a Canucks fan, pumping the tires on one player, passed over by the Flames, because of box score statistics, and then marginalizing a Flames draft pick without ever seeing him. I'm not sure what you call that, but it annoying as hell to this Flames fan.
Dude relax. Your acting pretty irrational now. How am I pumping TT tires and marginalizing Jankowski? Maybe that's what your taking from it so your getting a little more emotional than you should. All I'm saying is the kid has 8pts in 13 games and 2pts in game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals. If any Flames rookie did this we would be ecstatic and not be breaking down every play trying to diminish what he's done. Just be fair about the situation. And I don't know if your just acting crazy calling me a Canucks fan or you actually believe that.
If Canucks fans broke down Markus Granlund in the same way, I'm pretty sure the majority of people here would be like ".. fair point".
If Canucks fans broke down Sam Bennett in the same way, they would realize Sam Bennett is heavily involved in plays whether it's digging for pucks on the forecheck, screening the goaltender (like Russell's GW over Lack in Game 1), cycling the puck, crashing the net for rebounds. You know, all things that extend beyond the box score.
The idea you're proposing, that Teuvo Teravainen would have Flames fans more excited than Sam Bennett, never mind Jankowski, is nothing short of hilarious.
Your focusing so much on the player's your losing the point.
I said Bennett had 4pts in 11 games and we all were ecstatic. Obviously he showed a lot more beyond those points. All I said was that if TT was a Flame and he had 8pts in 13 games we would all be just as happy about that as well. I don't even see how that is controversial. Just because every point wasn't an end to end rush where he deked out half the team the points are meaningless? They all count. I'm not even saying TT is some amazing player we should have selected I'm just saying there is no need to try and diminish what he's done because we didn't draft him.
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Here's a thought. Perhaps those that didn't like the Jankowski pick are overhyping TT to prove a point, and perhaps those that are countering this position are downplaying TT's impact.
The kid has had big games, he has made some nice plays, and yes some were lucky and fortuitous. He is a decent 3rd liner in his first playoffs (I believe) and has stepped up his game from a pretty mediocre reg season. I wish him all the best (except when he plays Calgary).
We all knew Jankowski was going to be a project, so lets not get carrier away the first time a player we could have had sees some success.
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I said Bennett had 4pts in 11 games and we all were ecstatic. Obviously he showed a lot more beyond those points.
Exactly.
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All I said was that if TT was a Flame and he had 8pts in 13 games we would all be just as happy about that as well.
Except it wouldn't have happened for him as a Flame. That's the point. Nothing about his game would have even gotten him into all 11 playoff games the Flames played. And in those games he wouldn't have played with a Sharp or a Seabrook or a Keith. Probably not even a Vermette, though Backlund and Stajan might be close with some homer vision. The best he would have done would be Brodie, while hemmed in his own zone because Brodie's partner was Engelland.
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I'm not even saying TT is some amazing player we should have selected
...You're taking sides with people who ARE saying that.
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I'm just saying there is no need to try and diminish what he's done because we didn't draft him.
Pointing out the context of his statistics is not "diminishing what he's done".
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Note to self.
New thread ideas:
1) "With the 14th overall pick Flames didn't select C Teuvo Teravainen"
2) "with the 14th overall pick(in an alternate universe) flames select C Teuvo Teravainen", but now it's summer, the flames are no longer in the playoffs and there's nothing else to do so were complaining about not picking Tomas Hertl or Olli Matta".
3) "With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski. Here's a thread to post news about Mark Jankowski"
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‘No fair picking holes in my argument! How am I supposed to win if people point out where I'm wrong?’
Sure. it's not that serious to me. Somehow me stating that if we had a rookie with 8pts in 13 playoffs we would be excited is controversial. If that rookie just put up 2pts in the third period for a comeback win in the Stanley Cup finals we would be excited without a doubt.
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Exactly.
Except it wouldn't have happened for him as a Flame. That's the point. Nothing about his game would have even gotten him into all 11 playoff games the Flames played. And in those games he wouldn't have played with a Sharp or a Seabrook or a Keith. Probably not even a Vermette, though Backlund and Stajan might be close with some homer vision. The best he would have done would be Brodie, while hemmed in his own zone because Brodie's partner was Engelland.
Going into this much detail completely misses the point. I'm not trying to break down if TT could have cracked our lineup and what he potentially would or wouldn't have done in the playoffs. I'm not saying we should have drafted him. I'm not saying Mark Jankowski sucks. I just find it funny how critical some of you are and how your trying to downplay his success just because he is a player we could have drafted and didn't. Some sour grapes around here.
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All accounts this was Weisbroad who got all excited about him and really drove this selection home to the scouts. He was a terrible AGM and Feaster also admitted this pick was all Weisbroad.
Weisbrod was a bad AGM not because of the Jankowski pick but because he advised Feaster to trade the pick for immediate help. His vision of team building is clearly questionable given the state of the team at the time.
But he should not be shouldering all the blame for the Jankowski pick. There is a reason why most NHL teams are structured in a way where you have more than one AGM. If Feaster is only listening to Weisbrod, that is on him. Weisbrod's job is to go out and scout, give Feaster his opinion, and be another voice in the room. That's what Feaster directed Weisbrod to do. It's a fact that scouts disagree on player rankings. They are suppose to fight and argue their choice of player selection. Weisbrod ended up winning the fight.
Apparently, Burke wanted to draft Jack Johnson instead of Bobby Ryan and fought with his scouts. It was on Burke to make the decision. Similarly, it was on Feaster to make the decision.
Let's just agree to disagree. Your breaking this down way more than I ever intended.
Best advice in the thread. We're at the point of arguing how good one player would have been if they played on the Flames and comparing them to how good another player might be if they play for the Flames in a few years. Kinda pointless, regardless which side you take.
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Now at this point someone will come in and say "yeah but Monahan was the guy left - anyone could have drafted him". Well I guess, but you can't blame him for the bad stuff without crediting him for the good stuff regardless of how it went down.
He could have picked Nishuskin who was listed before Monahan on the TSN NHL prospects tracker to the right of the screen as he walked to the podium. I'll give credit where credit was due on his tenure but I still feel he should have been fired after the ROR debacle.
