2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Flames1217]

We need players with a shoot first mentality, Kuzmenko has this.

Even if the trade was Kuzmenko + First + Klimovich I would accept.

[bluejays]

Anecdotally quick rises from nowhere tend to regress. I have no idea how Vancouver rose this quickly. So if any deal with them for picks I’d vote for their picks from next year or the year after.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Anecdotally quick rises from nowhere tend to regress. I have no idea how Vancouver rose this quickly. So if any deal with them for picks I’d vote for their picks from next year or the year after.

I'm surprised it took them this long to be good honestly. They have a franchise 1C, 1D and starting goalie all in their primes to build around.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

If the Flames resign Hanifin, the Canucks is a spot where you dangle Andersson since they are in a bit of a pinch on defense after this season. Build a deal around Andersson and Lindholm

To VAN
Lindholm (50% retained)
Andersson

To CGY
Lekkerimäki
Wallinder
Kuzmenko
2024 1st

Vancouver considers this for a couple reasons. I think Lindholm would sign given the talent there. It also helps the Canucks convince Petterson they are committed to winning now to get him signed. Andersson gives them a rock solid 1B/2A pair defenseman that is going to contribute in their window before Wallinder will be able.

These are the type of situations where Calgary should look at weaponizing Anderssons value due to his contract.

Seems like a hell of a deal for Vancouver to land a 1b center and 1b Dman on a sweetheart contract for multiple years. Makes way more sense to trade Andersson at the draft when 31 teams would be looking to make that deal

[Wastedyouth]

There is no way the Canucks are trading Lekkermaki in my opinion.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Conroy and the Flames better say no. That is awful. Palat is a cap dump at this point with negative value.

It's interesting that Markstrom has gone from an untradeable asset to a player when traded on his own for a 1st and 2nd is rejected by fans!

(not attacking you Sofa, just pointing out the change in his value on the site in four months)

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bingo

It's interesting that Markstrom has gone from an untradeable asset to a player when traded on his own for a 1st and 2nd is rejected by fans!

(not attacking you Sofa, just pointing out the change in his value on the site in four months)

Fans are extreme when it comes to the “what have you done for me lately” when it comes to player value in trade. I see it on Twitter a ton but a guy on a hot streak for 10 games is all of a sudden worth a player who has been a stud for 5 years but is in a minor 10 game slump

[Vinny01]

Alright this is a fantasy style blockbuster that I have a feeling would be balked at from the other team but I am going to make my valuation below. This is based on the Sens absolutely needing a massive shakeup and the Flames looking to retool as opposed to rebuild.

To OTT: Huberdeau+Weegar+Dube
To CGY: Norris+Chabot+Joseph

Why for Ottawa?
This team is an absolute mess and look to be making the same mistake as the Oilers and having a team full of young guns and greybeards. Guys like Hamonic and Giroux are mid 30’s and they have some early and mid 20’s guys but missing the bridge group and that is where the Flames package comes in. Weegar is the true prize and he is currently the best player in the trade. Huberdeau also gets very close to home while not being right in Montreal he is a short drive away. The gamble is huge here for Ottawa taking that contract. They get out of the term with Joseph and can test Fube for half a year and potentially keep or cut bait for nothing after the season. Ultimately Dube/Joseph doesn’t have to be in the deal but I think the swap favors Ottawa. With Pinto coming back he takes Norris spot. Ottawa needs a shakeup and this qualifies.

Why for Calgary:
Obviously it is not working with Huberdeau so this is a fresh start for him and the org. They hate to give up Weegar but this is a retooling move that gets them younger and sets them up for life without Lindholm. Norris makes almost $8M for 7 more years and has been injured for most of his career so there is risk here for the Flames. He is on pace for slightly less than 50pts over a full season and missed almost all of last year and is a couple years removed from his 35 goal 55pt in 66 game season (Huby had 115pts that year). Chabot appears to be a whipping boy in Ottawa but I think he is struggling because he is playing with Hamonic who continues to be overrated and dragging down yet another good Dman (he did it to Brodie and Hanifin here). If Kylington is staying then this move allows them to move Hanifin and Chabot can play as the top pair LD. He makes $8M for 4 more years after this. The Flames hope that Norris remains healthy and Chabot can rebound as they would be trading 2 30 year olds for a 24 and 27 year old.


Probably no chance Ottawa or anyone would touch that Huberdeau contract but I think I provided some reasons why it at least makes some sense from their standpoint and the Flames take on risk in the deal as well as Chabot looks to be regressing and Norris is injured and not pacing for top line production despite the top line contract.

How far off is the value in your opinion?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

It's interesting that Markstrom has gone from an untradeable asset to a player when traded on his own for a 1st and 2nd is rejected by fans!

(not attacking you Sofa, just pointing out the change in his value on the site in four months)

Yeah, I'd still be fine with a second for Markstrom. He will have very limited destinations and trading him will be hard

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

To OTT: Huberdeau+Weegar+Dube
To CGY: Norris+Chabot+Joseph

How far off is the value in your opinion?

Can't see it. Sens get older and arguably worse.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, I'd still be fine with a second for Markstrom. He will have very limited destinations and trading him will be hard

I would rather hold onto him than make that move unless it is zero retention and the Flames get the extra $6M in cap space. I think Marky is better served as a mentor and vet on this team than getting a 2nd back while taking on bad money or retaining.

Based on the rumors Markstrom is not asking to be traded so no need to shove him out the door unless the return is too good to pass up

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would rather hold onto him than make that move unless it is zero retention and the Flames get the extra $6M in cap space.

Yeah, if there is retention or a contract that is longer than a year coming back then needs to be more value

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bingo

It's interesting that Markstrom has gone from an untradeable asset to a player when traded on his own for a 1st and 2nd is rejected by fans!

(not attacking you Sofa, just pointing out the change in his value on the site in four months)

Markstrom didn't look like an upgrade on Vladar last year. This year he looks like a top 5 goalie in the league. This has more to do with the volatility of the position than anything IMO.

Markstrom went from a .922 goalie to an .892 goalie on one of the supposedly best teams defensively(analytics). Now he's back to his career average of .908, which seems low but he's playing at the same level he did 2 years ago.

The same applies to Huberdeau. If he puts up 100 points he's an asset, if he puts up 40-50 points then he's signed to one of the worst contacts in the league.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Can't see it. Sens get older and arguably worse.

Fair but that might be a team that needs to get a bit older to get over the hump. This year is an utter disaster for them. Tough to argue they don’t vastly improve their back end with this swap. Weegar is a two way Dman who has had elite defensive metrics over the past several years. The biggest risk for them is Huberdeau being totally washed but they also run the risk that Norris is nothing more than a 45-55pt guy who misses 20+ games a year. There is a chance Huby bounces back with a fresh start and Norris injury woes are behind him but there is also the flip side. Which is why it is a risky deal for them. There is risk for the Flames as well but less. They take on more cap moving forward (money is really close this year hence the Jospeh+Dube add). They get younger and add a center who could be in the top 6 with Lindholm being out. 2 rookie GM’s and former teammates come together to make a deal

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Why for Calgary:
Obviously it is not working with Huberdeau so this is a fresh start for him and the org.

I don't know, he has been turning it on every game as of late. I'll take on my team every time right now.

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[Tkachukwagon]

It is crazy how a few games can shape the opinion of players, at the moment I think the worst contract in the league has to be Pierre-Luc Dubois at $8.5 million x 8. Not sure I'd trade Huberdeau for him straight up at the moment.

[gvitaly]

I don't see Ottawa going for that blockbuster. You're overvaluing Weegar IMO. The OTT players are younger, and their contracts capture the prime of their career. I still think other teams would see Norris as a #1b C, and Chabot as a #2D that's often injured.

That's why I can see OTT getting younger assets back. Perhaps something like Cozens for Norris, Sanheim/Weegar for Chabot + 2nd to change the mix.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I don't see Ottawa going for that blockbuster. You're overvaluing Weegar IMO. The OTT players are younger, and their contracts capture the prime of their career. I still think other teams would see Norris as a #1b C, and Chabot as a #2D that's often injured.

That's why I can see OTT getting younger assets back. Perhaps something like Cozens for Norris, Sanheim/Weegar for Chabot + 2nd to change the mix.

Fair points but I disagree. I think Ottawa has made the same mistakes as Edmonton in their rebuild and gave the kids the keys to the city and now trying to insulate those kids with older players there is too big of an age gap. Edmonton had the Hall, Eberle, Nuge crew and they couldn’t relate to the Ference, Smyth greybeards. An Oilers fan in my office stated that the org admitted that was their biggest mistake in their tankbuild. Staios was only there for the beginning so he wouldn’t have as much memory of that.

But have no idea why Buffalo trades a younger, cheaper player with less injury history for Norris. I don’t touch the Weegar for Chabot+2nd trade if I am Calgary and I doubt the Flyers do that either with how much Sanhiem has seemed to improve this year. In both cases they take on almost $2M in cap to get a younger player but one who struggles in his own zone and has injuries.

[Ford Prefect]

I’m not a fan of a tear it down to the studs rebuild. They’re ugly. I don’t want to be the SJ Sharks. Get rid of Lindy and Tanev for sure, and Hanifin if they can’t resign him, but let’s not trade all of our good players and be irrelevant for the next 5+ years. I like rebuilds. Just not scorched earth rebuilds. I much prefer the approach they seem to currently be embarked on. It’s more than a retool, but not a smoking crater.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

It's interesting that Markstrom has gone from an untradeable asset to a player when traded on his own for a 1st and 2nd is rejected by fans!

(not attacking you Sofa, just pointing out the change in his value on the site in four months)

Oh no worries, certainly understand what you are saying. I was never one who thought Markstrom would be completely untradeable, one bad season (especially considering the entire team performance) does not make you untradeable. To me there is a difference of having to take a $6MM player well past his effective date and getting a 1st/2nd than saying we are assuming Markstrom is worth a 1st/2nd straight up. In the example presented, Palat is not an equivalent to Markstrom in any sense, he's a boat anchor. The first is really to take Palat. So in that example it was saying Markstrom is worth a 2nd.... I think you get more from a team who has a strong roster and is weak in goal as we approach playoffs (NJ, Carolina, etc.)

I am more of the mindset of retaining money on Markstrom and taking a smaller contract back. Ie. taking back a $3.5-4MM player is likely not as much of a hinderance as taking on a $6MM underachieving player. The likelihood of being able to move a player on a lesser contract (even with term) is much higher allowing the ability to attain additional assets at some point, regardless how small.

example with NJ,

To NJ
Markstrom ($2MM retained)

To CGY
Vanacek
Casey
Foote
2025 2nd (turns to 1st if go to Cup final)

Have Vanacek play some games to close the season, perhaps he performs such that he or Vladar can be moved for an additional asset (3rd/4th) in the offseason.