If Trump had been killed, the consequences could have been rioting and violence across the country, and perhaps a descent into civil war.
To say nothing of the chances of further political violence now skyrocketing…
Cheering the death of Bin Laden, the man who orchestrated 9/11, is hardly the same thing.
I'm not 100% sure I agree, it's a movement generally driven by cowards, trolls, and idiots, and filled by the uninformed. I'm not certain that the capacity to wage a real civil war is there without Trump as a figurehead at this point, I think isolated rioting civil violence yes, but in the long run probably less damaging then the path they are currently on.
I look back to 2 historic examples, Alexander who ruled for 4 years, and upon his death, there was complete factionalization and division in his armies, and Augustus who ruled for ruled for 42 years and saw his seat of power pass on to a successor. The key difference is when your foundation is a cult of personality, you need a generation of indoctrination to build up the base that doesn't know what to do other than obey your successor. With Trump right now, the people that are there are there for him, and they will not be there for anyone else.
Donald Trump has been calling everything fake and staged for eight years or more now.
Charlottesville, Covid, Russian collusion, Ukrainian shakedown,, the election results, January 6, on and on.
All fake.
Well, it worked - it worked so well his own assassination attempt lacks credibility.
This is bad.
Yeah. One of my immediate thoughts before more information came out was to not rule out the possibility that it could have been staged. Solely because of who was involved.
Had it been anyone else it wouldn't have crossed my mind but this is an individual that has spent his whole life lying and deceiving people with zero regard for truth and honesty.
And the thought did cross my mind that pity he missed.
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Donald Trump has been calling everything fake and staged for eight years or more now.
Charlottesville, Covid, Russian collusion, Ukrainian shakedown,, the election results, January 6, on and on.
All fake.
Well, it worked - it worked so well his own assassination attempt lacks credibility.
This is bad.
Yeah, it's terrible now.
Everyone aligns to their own media/news bubble. For some, western media sources all lean heavily to the ideals of the west, such as MSNBC, Fox, Wall Street Journal, NYT, CBC, AP, etc. and can't really be trusted. The other side of the coin sees sources like Al Jazeera and other non-western-based media platforms as completely unreliable. Then others further break down the western media between left and right, with CNN and the like in one bubble, while Fox is in another.
Obama spoke about it in the months before and after he left office. Less and less people will even look at news sources that don't fit into their bubble that they know will reliably confirm their views of the world. And this is bad. Anything and everything that comes to light that goes against your understanding (which has been shaped by the media in the bubble you consume) is automatically cast as fake news. And others who suggest that maybe your own bubble isn't reliable at all times, is a bot from the other side. Fun times!
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I'm not 100% sure I agree, it's a movement generally driven by cowards, trolls, and idiots, and filled by the uninformed. I'm not certain that the capacity to wage a real civil war is there without Trump as a figurehead at this point, I think isolated rioting civil violence yes, but in the long run probably less damaging then the path they are currently on.
I look back to 2 historic examples, Alexander who ruled for 4 years, and upon his death, there was complete factionalization and division in his armies, and Augustus who ruled for ruled for 42 years and saw his seat of power pass on to a successor. The key difference is when your foundation is a cult of personality, you need a generation of indoctrination to build up the base that doesn't know what to do other than obey your successor. With Trump right now, the people that are there are there for him, and they will not be there for anyone else.
They did storm the Capitol less than four years ago and kill four or five cops…
If Donald Trump were actually gunned down… I shudder to think.
At the very least I think you’re looking at riots on the scale of Ferguson et al, but across the country.
They did storm the Capitol less than four years ago and kill four or five cops…
If Donald Trump were actually gunned down… I shudder to think.
At the very least I think you’re looking at riots on the scale of Ferguson et al, but across the country.
I think Portland/Ottawa would be about the sweet spot for were I would expect it, Ferguson is probably a little on the low end, it didn't last long enough, and Jan6 is probably a little on the high end. Authorities wouldn't let it get that far again.
Sadly I think that would be far better for the US on balance than we stand to see over the next 5 years.
edit: I should say, I think this without Trump as a figurehead, because of the fracturing that would arise. with him as a figure head, if they find an excuse, skies the limit. History should tell us that we could be as little has 5 years away from people cheering on the mass gassing of Trans-individuals the way things are going.
According to betting odds, Trump is now at -275 to win the presidency which is an implied probably of 73% (around 71% without house edge). This thing is rapidly slipping away from the Democrats, and to make matters worse, the Republicans have yet to unleash their onslaught of anti-Biden ads.
The videos are legit and can be synched as Trump's speech was present in the video showing the shooter on the roof. There was a full 2 minutes of time that elapsed from when he was on the roof and the first shot
We are all talking here that the shooter missed and grazed Trump's ear, but his target was completely dead on, only a quick turn to the right at the exact same second as the shot caused the shot to graze his ear. The shot as aimed would have hit the back of his head. The political situation would have been in complete turmoil.
Is it really that much a stretch to say that the US was an inch away from a full blown civil war?
At the very least the reaction to Trump getting killed would have been disastrous.
Most here would agree with that I'm sure.
Which makes the response by the police and secret service even worse.
Pretty sure mall cop could have done a better job, you know like yelling 'gun, shooter, everyone down' than the morons doing security at the event.
4-5 buildings with roof access. Easy vantage point, super easy to secure. Hell, a single drone feed could have seen the shooter.
According to betting odds, Trump is now at -275 to win the presidency which is an implied probably of 73% (around 71% without house edge). This thing is rapidly slipping away from the Democrats, and to make matters worse, the Republicans have yet to unleash their onslaught of anti-Biden ads.
The videos are legit and can be synched as Trump's speech was present in the video showing the shooter on the roof. There was a full 2 minutes of time that elapsed from when he was on the roof and the first shot
We are all talking here that the shooter missed and grazed Trump's ear, but his target was completely dead on, only a quick turn to the right at the exact same second as the shot caused the shot to graze his ear. The shot as aimed would have hit the back of his head. The political situation would have been in complete turmoil.
Good video to show the timeline. Complete failure by security, given there were people literally pointing the shooter out minutes before. You have quicker reactions at the airport for shouting certain words then you did here as people are literally calling out someone on a roof at a political rally. Crazy.
Also, other than a few sound bits I've never heard a trump rally before. Now I'm not saying what happened is justified but god damn, with all that verbal diarrhea spewing out of his mouth it's a miracle nothing has been attempted on him (that we know of) prior to this incident.
Just watched it again. Holy crap. You had baby boomers MAGA supporters who were doing a better job at identifying a threat than the protection detail who is supposedly trained to 'protect.'
"You know Karen, we understand you're upset, but we can't seem to identify exactly where you are saying there is a person with a gun."
"On top of the building over there....."
Been a while since we've seen this level of total full blown incompetence.
The rooftop where a gunman shot at former President Donald Trump during a campaign rally was identified by the Secret Service as a potential vulnerability in the days before the event, two sources familiar with the agency’s operations told NBC News.
The building, owned by a glass research company, is adjacent to the Butler Farm Show, an outdoor venue in Butler, Pennsylvania. The Secret Service was aware of the risks associated with it, the sources said.
“Someone should have been on the roof or securing the building so no one could get on the roof,” said one of the sources, a former senior Secret Service agent who was familiar with the planning.
