2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I know, I wish they had rational trade proposals like Flames fans on CP.

we aren't talking fan proposals these were media members who vote on actual NHL awards

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Sandman

A lot of people want Tanguay, but I don't see anything on his resume (other than his years as an NHL player) that would make him qualified to run the bench, at least not yet. I'm not convinced St.Louis was ready either.

I think Tanguay is a really good Skills/Power Play Coach... I've herd his situation in Detroit with Lalonde coaching staff, is pretty good.

Id argue that Savard might be better.

His OHL PP ran at a 25.9% and runs a very high speed up tempo system.

[mile]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Why wouldn't Seravalli just tweet that then? Whose account is that?

Originally Posted by butterfly

Who's Colby Colvin? Believable? Someone like any of us who could just type that up on Microsoft Word?

It was from Seravalli's website Daily Faceoff. NHL color analyst Colby Cohen was a guest on his show today: https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/wh...led-in-the-nhl

Frank Seravalli: My prediction? The next position filled is the Calgary Flames. I believe that Gerard Gallant, speaking of the Rangers, too expensive, not a candidate. I believe they had an initial discussion and the Flames are not willing and ready to pay somewhere in the neighbourhood that Gallant would be looking for and accustomed to, especially coming off that Rangers deal and what is left on the table for him this season.

Colby Cohen: Right, but if you’re Gallant, don’t you still get the difference from the Rangers?

Frank Seravalli: You still get the difference, but why would you work for the same amount of money? What’s the incentive to jump back in? Why not wait and see what happens? Get paid for the whole year and not work. I don’t know about you, but that sounds pretty enticing to me

Colby Cohen: There’s only 32 jobs. You’ve got to take them, you don’t want to be too passive.

Frank Seravalli: I’m just telling you that they’ve had an initial conversation and that’s not going to happen, at least from what I’m told. So my prediction is the Flames fill their job, and I still it’s going to be Mitch Love, their internal candidate. Two-time AHL coach of the year.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Why? It's super uncertain if Wolf is ready to go in heavy. Sure he killed it in the minors but the NHL is different. He's undersized and it's going to be a question when bodies pile in front of him if he'll be able to work around it. Especially with a not so physically capable defence to clear bodies out, it's a real question if they're setting him up for failure, Zadorov or Weegar aside. No need to be heavy handed with the org. They need to set him up for success.

Well then give him a shot and if you’re right and he’s undersized and it doesn’t work get rid of him. He’s the AHL MVP as s goalie. Another year in the minors is going to stunt his growth.

Explore every avenue to get rid of Markstrom. He’s past his expiry date.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Well then give him a shot and if you’re right and he’s undersized and it doesn’t work get rid of him. He’s the AHL MVP as s goalie. Another year in the minors is going to stunt his growth.

Explore every avenue to get rid of Markstrom. He’s past his expiry date.

Firstly I believe in getting rid of Markstrom, fully. Cap wise it’s just a smart move if someone takes him on we could sign a stopgap who’s likely going to produce similar numbers. Regarding Wolf, I think on defence they have to get bigger or more aggressive to help him out, but I still advocate babying him. Not stashing him the full time there but bring him as an occasional guy in stretches. I don’t know how callups work and the rules around sending a guy down but I’d like to see essentially a three way starting situation to work his way in. He’s definitely not a guy who should be traded.

[stemit14]

If the flames are going to trade Lindholm, I think it would likely need to return a first round pick in this upcoming draft. It’s possible that very few teams in the top 16 of the draft are looking to trade their first round picks this year so the flames might end up trading with teams in the back half of the first round. I’m looking at what teams with first round picks outside of the top 16 would be looking to acquire Lindholm and could offer enough for the flames to consider it. First up is Columbus:

Columbus may not trade their 3rd overall pick for Lindholm (even if he signs an extension). If that is true and Columbus still really wants Lindholm, they might load up their second first round pick instead to acquire Lindholm.

To Columbus:
-Elias Lindholm

To Calgary:
-Cole Sillinger
-2023 first round pick (22nd overall from LA)
-2023 second round pick (34th overall)
-Conditional 2024 first round pick (lottery protected; if Lindholm signs an extension with Columbus, it is a first round pick; if Lindholm does not sign an extension with Columbus, it is a 2nd round pick in 2024).

Columbus gets a centre with proven chemistry with Gaudreau. As I said in a previous post… when playing together, Gaudreau and Lindholm have been arguably been one of if not the best line(s) in hockey over a 4 year span. I can’t imagine any other centres that would be available that would be a better fit for Columbus.

Calgary potentially gets 2 first round picks and a high second round pick. Plus they get Sillinger who is currently a young 3rd/4th line centre that could potentially grow into a 2nd line centre. It was rumoured the flames had their eyes on picking him in the 2021 draft but he was selected by Columbus with their pick. Conroy has had some close experience with the Flames’ scouting group and with prospects over the years so I imagine he is pretty familiar with Sillinger.

However, Sillinger is a risky young player to target after the terrible year he had. In 143 NHL games he is is a combined -45. He also had only 3 goals in 64 games this past season. He is young and has been developing on a bad NHL team but you would need to be confident he will grow into a better player.

Best case for the flames in this trade: Sillinger becomes a second line goal-scoring centre with size; they get to make 3 of the first 34 picks of this highly-touted draft; they get a first round pick next year.

Worst case for the flames in this trade: Sillinger never develops beyond what he is now; the flames only end up with a 2nd round pick next year; Gaudreau-Lindholm pick up right where they left off together… only in Columbus.


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[aaronkarlpatton]

It's Love at first sight.[/QUOTE]

I see what you did there

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[stemit14]

Detroit is likely not willing to trade their 9th overall pick in this upcoming draft but they might be willing to trade the 17th overall pick to try to take a step forward as an organization and make the playoffs next year.

To Detroit:
-Elias Lindholm
-Dan Vladar

To Calgary:
-Fillip Zadina
-2023 first round pick (17th overall from the Islanders via Vancouver)
-two 2023 second round picks (42nd and 43rd overall)
-Conditional 2024 first round pick (lottery protected; if Lindholm signs an extension with Detroit, it is a first round pick; if Lindholm does not sign an extension with Detroit, it is a 2nd round pick in 2024).

Detroit has committed to Larkin long-term and they have missed the playoffs for quite a few years now… they don’t have anyone ready to be their 1a/1b centre with Larkin and they are likely getting desperate to get back into the playoffs. Lindholm would be a solid target for them. Detroit does not have an NHL backup goaltender signed for next year so Vladar might be a good fit for them as well.

Calgary potentially gets 2 first round picks and two second round picks. Zadina is a bit of a throw in for this trade. Former top ten pick in 2018 who has never reached his potential. Could be a “change of scenery” player that pops with a new team.

This Lindholm trade is for a lot of “magic beans” as some like to call them… especially if Zadina continues to under-perform relative to his draft position. However, it lets the flames make 5 picks in the top 50 of this deep draft and potentially twice in the top 32 in next year’s draft. … a real shot to the arm of the prospect pool.


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[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Detroit is likely not willing to trade their 9th overall pick in this upcoming draft but they might be willing to trade the 17th overall pick to try to take a step forward as an organization and make the playoffs next year.

To Detroit:
-Elias Lindholm
-Dan Vladar

To Calgary:
-Fillip Zadina
-2023 first round pick (17th overall from the Islanders via Vancouver)
-two 2023 second round picks (42nd and 43rd overall)
-Conditional 2024 first round pick (lottery protected; if Lindholm signs an extension with Detroit, it is a first round pick; if Lindholm does not sign an extension with Detroit, it is a 2nd round pick in 2024).

Detroit has committed to Larkin long-term and they have missed the playoffs for quite a few years now… they don’t have anyone ready to be their 1a/1b centre with Larkin and they are likely getting desperate to get back into the playoffs. Lindholm would be a solid target for them. Detroit does not have an NHL backup goaltender signed for next year so Vladar might be a good fit for them as well.

Calgary potentially gets 2 first round picks and two second round picks. Zadina is a bit of a throw in for this trade. Former top ten pick in 2018 who has never reached his potential. Could be a “change of scenery” player that pops with a new team.

This Lindholm trade is for a lot of “magic beans” as some like to call them… especially if Zadina continues to under-perform relative to his draft position. However, it lets the flames make 5 picks in the top 50 of this deep draft and potentially twice in the top 32 in next year’s draft. … a real shot to the arm of the prospect pool.


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That seems very underwhelming for just lindholm let alone adding vladar.

Gotta get the 9th for those two assets..

[stemit14]

It’s been rumoured that Carolina was interested in acquiring Lindholm (or possibly backlund) at the TDL this past season. If true, they may still be interested in pursuing Lindholm.

To Carolina:
-Elias Lindholm

To Calgary:
-Seth Jarvis
-2023 first round pick (30th overall)

Carolina is likely looking to keep pushing to get past the conference finals and they could use some more scoring up front and a center especially if Jordan Staal does not return. Lindholm is an improvement on Staal both offensively and defensively and would fit in great as the 1b Center behind Aho.

Compared to other trade proposals I have made for Lindholm, this one has the least and lowest-value picks attached to it. Mainly because I think the young player being acquired is a very valuable player himself. While Jarvis’s numbers in the regular season in his first two years are not mind blowing, they are respectable for a young player with 40 and 39 points his first two NHL seasons. He is young and looks like a player ready to “pop”. He looked dynamite in the playoffs for Carolina and he ended up with 10 points in 15 playoff games. Great hockey IQ, speed and skill. Was arguably their best forward in the Panthers series. Plays RW which the flames could use. I could see him fitting in really well with Huberdeau.

After the playoffs he just had, Carolina may not be willing to make Jarvis the centrepiece of the deal but their first round pick is so low in the draft that I would push for Jarvis to be included especially for an extended Lindholm.


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[stemit14]

The Rangers are in “win now” mode but have little playoff success to show for it considering how easy they have it with free agents and college stars wanting to go there. They could definitely use what Lindholm brings as they have a lot of offence-first talent but could use some more two-way players. Zibanejad, Lindholm, Trocheck and Goodrow up the middle would match up well with anyone in the league.

To New York:
-Elias Lindholm

To Calgary:
-one of Kaapo Kakko or Alexis Lafreniere
-2023 first round pick (23rd overall)

Strange to think the two players the Rangers picked near the top of consecutive drafts during their very brief “rebuild” have been in trade rumours over the last year. They could use immediate help with their two-way game right now though and Lindholm provides that.

Similar to the Carolina trade I proposed, this trade with the Rangers has fewer picks attached (compared to other potential deals) simply due to the caliber of young player that the rangers would be trading away. I’m not sure which player would be better to target honestly. Both have been slow to develop since being drafted. My first impression would be to target Kakko because of his speed and because he took a good step last season.

Lafrenierre has increased his point totals every year in the NHL (40 points this past season) but has looked poor in the playoffs and there are concerns that his style of play has not translated as well to the NHL game.

Still, both players are young and could “pop” with a new team. They are both high risk/high reward players to trade for at this point.


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[dino7c]

Every ex Flames turning to gold should help with trades

Except Gaudreau

[CliffFletcher]

Backlund and Lindholm both being up for UFA creates a big headache for Conroy.

Backlund won’t re-sign unless the Flames commit to winning. If they trade Lindholm for futures, Backlund is going to want out too. Losing both of them would be ugly - welcome to our new #2 C, Dillon Dube.

Signing both to extensions would be good in the short-term, but really bad long-term from both a competitive and resource management perspective.

Ideally, they trade one and extend the other. But it’s hard to see a path where that happens and doesn’t leave someone really unhappy.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by BurningSteel

Vladar to TO??

Duhatschek has an article on the Athletic about the similarities between Trelving going to Toronto the way that Fletcher did.

https://theathletic.com/4568735/2023...liff-fletcher/

Maybe they can recreate the famous 10 player trade as one commenter suggested.

so what would be the current equivalent of that 10 player trade?

On Jan. 2, 1992, the Flames traded Doug Gilmour, Ric Nattress, Kent Manderville, Jamie Macoun and Rick Wamsley, and Toronto sent Gary Leeman, Craig Berube, Alexander Godynyuk, Michel Petit and Jeff Reese the other way.

From Flames
- Elias Lindholm
- Nikita Zadorov
- Adam Ruzicka
- Noah Hanifin
- Dan Vladar

From Leafs
- William Nylander
- Calle Jarnkrok
- Timothy Liljegren
- Jake McCabe
- Joseph Woll


Guessing that the players are in order of equivalency to the original trade order.

[Bonded]

One thing to remember with Lindholm is that you can’t make conditions based on him signing. So the Flames will have to play middleman to make assurances he will sign if he goes before July 1st

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Bonded

One thing to remember with Lindholm is that you can’t make conditions based on him signing. So the Flames will have to play middleman to make assurances he will sign if he goes before July 1st

Why can’t there be conditions based on him signing an extension? Is there a rule in place preventing that with him? I’ve seen similar conditions where teams get additional picks if a player signs an extension with a new team.


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[Bonded]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Why can’t there be conditions based on him signing an extension? Is there a rule in place preventing that with him? I’ve seen similar conditions where teams get additional picks if a player signs an extension with a new team.


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Changed in 2020 or 2021. They disallowed it because it was a disadvantage to the player if they wanted to stay on the team they were traded to.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Why can’t there be conditions based on him signing an extension? Is there a rule in place preventing that with him? I’ve seen similar conditions where teams get additional picks if a player signs an extension with a new team.


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They changed in the 2020 MOU

65. Trade Conditions Making itMore Onerous for anAcquiring Club to Re-Sign a Player
Clubs shall not be permitted to include as a condition in the
Trade of a Player (“Traded Player”) from one Club (“Trading
Club”) to another Club (“Acquiring Club”), a modification to the
compensation exchanged between the Trading Club and the
Acquiring Club, either in the event: (i) that a Club signs the
Traded Player to an NHL SPC, or (ii) of the subsequent
Assignment of the Traded Player by the Acquiring Club. The
restriction in (i) shall only be applicable when the Traded Player
has a current or future NHL SPC at the time of the Trade.

Basiclly the NHLPA didn't like these conditions because it felt like it limited players options on which teams they could sign with.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Changed in 2020 or 2021. They disallowed it because it was a disadvantage to the player if they wanted to stay on the team they were traded to.

Completely forgot about this. Well, the trade proposals I made would have two versions… one with Lindholm willing to sign an extension with the new team before being traded and the other without agreeing to it.


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[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Detroit is likely not willing to trade their 9th overall pick in this upcoming draft but they might be willing to trade the 17th overall pick to try to take a step forward as an organization and make the playoffs next year.

To Detroit:
-Elias Lindholm
-Dan Vladar

To Calgary:
-Fillip Zadina
-2023 first round pick (17th overall from the Islanders via Vancouver)
-two 2023 second round picks (42nd and 43rd overall)
-Conditional 2024 first round pick (lottery protected; if Lindholm signs an extension with Detroit, it is a first round pick; if Lindholm does not sign an extension with Detroit, it is a 2nd round pick in 2024).

Detroit has committed to Larkin long-term and they have missed the playoffs for quite a few years now… they don’t have anyone ready to be their 1a/1b centre with Larkin and they are likely getting desperate to get back into the playoffs. Lindholm would be a solid target for them. Detroit does not have an NHL backup goaltender signed for next year so Vladar might be a good fit for them as well.

Calgary potentially gets 2 first round picks and two second round picks. Zadina is a bit of a throw in for this trade. Former top ten pick in 2018 who has never reached his potential. Could be a “change of scenery” player that pops with a new team.

This Lindholm trade is for a lot of “magic beans” as some like to call them… especially if Zadina continues to under-perform relative to his draft position. However, it lets the flames make 5 picks in the top 50 of this deep draft and potentially twice in the top 32 in next year’s draft. … a real shot to the arm of the prospect pool.


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Can’t do picks anymore based on extension.