[News] Tkachuk notifies Flames he won't sign long term (The Athletic)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

The party not requesting arbitration gets to pick the term, 1 or 2 years only, in this case Tkachuk, so whatever he picks and if he truly wants to get to UFA, it will only be 1 year for the Flames.

I thought I read team requested arbs are only ever a one year term.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by rhino

So play the lottery every year and hope for the best. The Rangers rode elite goaltending this year, remember the Flames beat them twice and rather lopsided at that.

Well, that's certainly 'a way' to interpret my post.


Yes, I agree with you on the Rangers. I don't think they have a good team, and Shesterkin definitely hides a lot of holes on that team. Still, they have a fairly bright future IMO. That's beside the point.


Why do I want a rebuild? To be like the Rangers? To 'play the lotto and hope for the best?' LoL No. That an absolutely terrible way to summarize it.


What are the Flames good at. What are some organizational strengths? From my perspective, one of the strongest organizational strengths is the way in which this team drafts and develops players. That's what makes a rebuild attractive to me - it directly capitalizes on an organizational strength, while minimizing an organizational weakness (attracting impact UFAs).


It is not 'playing the lottery and hoping for the best'. That's a poor attempt to discredit a rationale. Flames are obviously not going to 'hit' on every pick selected, but go back and look through the drafting history. Flames have been a top-drafting and development team for some time now - that's what makes this appealing to me.


What's your plan if you feel that building a team in this way is akin to simply playing the lottery and doing a lot of hoping and praying?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jore

ESPN's Wyshynsky proposes a meh Beauvillier, Wahlstrom, 1st package for Tkachuk and Monahan, but also wonders if a trade around Tkachuk-Barzal could work.

I've wondered this too. NYI could be a dark-horse for Tkachuk. I can see Lou fixating on him and trying to sign Kadri to replace Barzal. If Barzal is willing to extend in Calgary, I might prefer him to Kyrou or Bratt. He would probably also be appealing for ownership/management, too, as he could drive the offense and keep the Flames competitive. Lindholm on Barzal's wing with Backlund as a matchup C would give the Flames incredible c depth.

That initial trade would work perhaps if we had a dire need for the a Monny cap space. Which we currently don’t.

[JackIsBack]

Originally Posted by Jore

Tkachuk-Barzal could work.

LOL.... every time I hear his name (Barzal), I think what could be if Edmonton kept that pick... and I laugh, Griffin Reinhart... but of course they'd have to pick him and with Edmonton picking, that was not a certainty.

[Bluzman]

Originally Posted by heep223

Hope he ends up in Ottawa. That’d be rad

Also has he actually given a reason as to why he’s not wanting to sign in Calgary?

Whatever he would say would lack any credibility after how he gushed at the year end presser about wanting to stay here only a few weeks ago.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I thought I read team requested arbs are only ever a one year term.

Because that's what the player selects, if your team takes you to arbitration you get out asap

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That initial trade would work perhaps if we had a dire need for the a Monny cap space. Which we currently don’t.

Yeah unless the Flames have a good use for the cap why trade Monahan at all

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well for starters the Tkachuk trade

Also, you can't just subtract 82 goals and say see they will score this many. Somebody will be playing those minutes and that PP time.

Mangiapane is the one guy on this team who can create his own shot, and it’s debatable how good he even is at that - for a guy who scored 36 goals, he was very streaky. The rest of them relied entirely on Gaudreau/Tkachuk to make that magic happen.

Lindholm is a better player than Monahan, but he played the same role - find a hole in coverage, one-time a perfect pass.

Nobody stepped up when the top line wasn’t going, just like nobody stepped up in 2020, 2019 or 2017.

A one-line team no longer has that one line.

Imagine your house has been almost completely destroyed by a tornado. Somehow, your kitchen, which admittedly is a really nice kitchen, has made it through the storm untouched. It sits gleaming atop a pile of rubble like the India’s most expensive private residence next to India’s largest slum.

Keeping Lindholm would be like rebuilding your destroyed house around that kitchen, instead of scrapping the entire thing and starting from scratch.

Who would do that.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Here’s something to have a good laugh at

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550153824974917632

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

LOL.... every time I hear his name (Barzal), I think what could be if Edmonton kept that pick... and I laugh, Griffin Reinhart... but of course they'd have to pick him and with Edmonton picking, that was not a certainty.

We could’ve had Barzal, but we got Dougie instead.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

We could’ve had Barzal, but we got Dougie instead.

I had no issue with Dougie... Dougie had an issue with the locker room by the sounds of it, or some players had an issue with Dougie not being a party guy. We also could have selected the same guy Boston did who has played 16 games in the NHL and is currently unsigned. Dougie got us Lindholm and Hanifin(who was the #5 pick in that same draft)

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Here’s something to have a good laugh at

https://twitter.com/user/status/1550153824974917632

Leafs fans realize that Darryl Sutter is the head coach not the GM right? Nylander isn't a bad player and all but the other junk they added makes this proposal so laughable I don't even know where to start.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by rhino

I saw a great 3 team deal on Twitter

Tarasenko goes to NYI via Calgary with Calgary retaining 25%
Cal gets Kyrou, Neighbors, STL and NYI 2023 1sts
StL gets Tkachuck

Well great for us anyways.

I don't see the Blues being to keen on losing both Kyrou and Tarasenko off the roster. They'd need to get another forward back that fits in their cap...

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Well great for us anyways.

I don't see the Blues being to keen on losing both Kyrou and Tarasenko off the roster. They'd need to get another forward back that fits in their cap...

And I don't see how the Islanders give up a first for one year of Tarasenko, even with retention.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That initial trade would work perhaps if we had a dire need for the a Monny cap space. Which we currently don’t.

Those 2 guys are young but haven't proven they can produce in the NHL... not good

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by rhino

Because that's what the player selects, if your team takes you to arbitration you get out asap

If a player is one year from UFA, it has to be one year.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Well great for us anyways.

I don't see the Blues being to keen on losing both Kyrou and Tarasenko off the roster. They'd need to get another forward back that fits in their cap...

Yeah, St. Louis is missing a piece from NYI, who gets a big upgrade at a discount for some reason.

Tarasenko goes to NYI via Calgary with Calgary retaining 40%
Cal gets Kyrou, Bolduc, STL and NYI 2023 1sts
StL gets Tkachuck, Beaullivier

Is a good structure, and NYI isn't cap helled. I'd take Bolduc over Neighbors.

Edit : Blues would have to give away Scandella at a loss. Oh, well.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Well great for us anyways.

I don't see the Blues being to keen on losing both Kyrou and Tarasenko off the roster. They'd need to get another forward back that fits in their cap...

Tarasenko has asked to be moved and is 1 year from UFA. The only have $625k in space and still need to fill a roster spot. If they want to add Tkachuk they need real salary going out somehow. Tarasenko has a full NTC so he likely wont waive for Calgary but possibly for NYI, Calgary has the cap space to take the retention on but Dallas does not. NYI have about $11.5 in space but have a 3 RFA signings to make and 4 roster spots to fill out of that space. Lets remember Vegas just move Pacioretty for a bag of dust just to get some cap relief.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Yeah, St. Louis is missing a piece from NYI, who gets a big upgrade at a discount for some reason.

Tarasenko goes to NYI via Calgary with Calgary retaining 40%
Cal gets Kyrou, Bolduc, STL and NYI 2023 1sts
StL gets Tkachuck, Beaullivier - StL would need to move both those guys just to fit Tkachuk in and have to fill 2 roster spots with no money to do it, never mind adding Beaullivier

Is a good structure, and NYI isn't cap helled. I'd take Bolduc over Neighbors.

NYI may have 11.5 million in cap but have 3 RFA signings needed to get done plus need to add 4 more to their roster of 23, there really isn't a lot of room there.

[Jiggy_12]

Nm wrong thread