08-03-2015, 04:33 PM
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#1601
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire
Folks, Wideman has a no movement clause. It won't be as easy as just shipping him out.
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And I like what he brought last year. Over 50 points good leadership rh plays well on the pp. We could sure do worse.
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08-03-2015, 04:46 PM
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#1602
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Franchise Player
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On top of that, a lot of teams are waiting before Franson signs anyway before they're willing to make moves for a defenceman. And he'd prefer to be in a important role, so I doubt he'd want to sign with Calgary with Gio-Brodie-Hamilton taking the top 3 spots.
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08-03-2015, 04:46 PM
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#1603
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire
Folks, Wideman has a no movement clause. It won't be as easy as just shipping him out.
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That's true. But it is pretty rare a player outright refuses to move. If the Flames want to move him I am sure we can find a fit.
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08-03-2015, 04:49 PM
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#1604
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Wideman is better than Franson and Franson will be more expensive later when we can't afford him. No thanks
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08-03-2015, 05:07 PM
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#1605
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
Wideman is better than Franson and Franson will be more expensive later when we can't afford him. No thanks
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Some people just have it in their heads that trading Wideman is the thing to do.
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08-03-2015, 05:08 PM
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#1606
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: YYC
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1 yr @ $4.0 million I would take Franson.
Have him battle it out between 2nd and 3rd pairing with Wideman. And if by New Years we see rookies (Wotherspoon, Morrison, Hiceky...) pushing for a spot ship him out for assets.
All he does is improve on Engelland and there's no need getting rid of Wideman for that.
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08-03-2015, 05:20 PM
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#1607
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
Wideman is better than Franson and Franson will be more expensive later when we can't afford him. No thanks
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Yeah, for the dollars it would cost to get Franson, I don't see it worth the downgrade. Unless you can get a really good asset for Wideman.
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08-03-2015, 07:07 PM
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#1608
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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08-03-2015, 08:00 PM
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#1609
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Franchise Player
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The issue is moving a Raymond or Bollig to make room. Can't see that happening.
I'd keep Wideman. Playing easier minutes and PP is how he should be used.
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08-03-2015, 08:25 PM
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#1610
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First Line Centre
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As people have correctly pointed out, Wideman has a NMC which makes him hard to move.
Is there any chance we move Russell in order to make room for Franson? Russell's deal is very financially attractive and there is no trade protection.
He is a UFA in a year's time and as much as we love him, he does lack ideal size. With the addition of Hamilton, Gio and Brodie can play their natural left side. That would bump Russell down to the third pairing. Would he be as effective there as he was this season?
If we are set on Franson, we have to make room. Brodie, Gio and Hamilton aren't going anywhere, and if Wideman wants to stay, he can. So that only leaves Russell and Engelland. Engelland may not generate any interest, which leaves Russell as perhaps the odd man out.
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08-03-2015, 08:31 PM
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#1611
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by The Original FFIV
As people have correctly pointed out, Wideman has a NMC which makes him hard to move.
Is there any chance we move Russell in order to make room for Franson? Russell's deal is very financially attractive and there is no trade protection.
He is a UFA in a year's time and as much as we love him, he does lack ideal size. With the addition of Hamilton, Gio and Brodie can play their natural left side. That would bump Russell down to the third pairing. Would he be as effective there as he was this season?
If we are set on Franson, we have to make room. Brodie, Gio and Hamilton aren't going anywhere, and if Wideman wants to stay, he can. So that only leaves Russell and Engelland. Engelland may not generate any interest, which leaves Russell as perhaps the odd man out.
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I'd take Russell over Franson 10 times out of 10. Much smarter hockey player.
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08-03-2015, 08:33 PM
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#1612
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Original FFIV
As people have correctly pointed out, Wideman has a NMC which makes him hard to move.
Is there any chance we move Russell in order to make room for Franson? Russell's deal is very financially attractive and there is no trade protection.
He is a UFA in a year's time and as much as we love him, he does lack ideal size. With the addition of Hamilton, Gio and Brodie can play their natural left side. That would bump Russell down to the third pairing. Would he be as effective there as he was this season?
If we are set on Franson, we have to make room. Brodie, Gio and Hamilton aren't going anywhere, and if Wideman wants to stay, he can. So that only leaves Russell and Engelland. Engelland may not generate any interest, which leaves Russell as perhaps the odd man out.
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Moving Wideman to make room for Franson at least makes some sense, despite the difficulty to move him, seeing as he's older and makes $5mil, yet likely has lots of interest around the league due to his 50 point season.
Moving Russell to bring in Franson makes very little sense to me. He's going to get a raise for sure, but right now he's a $2.6mil player who is younger than Wideman and incredibly valuable to our team, yet probably wouldn't bring back a return we'd be happy with.
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08-03-2015, 08:42 PM
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#1613
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Original FFIV
As people have correctly pointed out, Wideman has a NMC which makes him hard to move.
Is there any chance we move Russell in order to make room for Franson? Russell's deal is very financially attractive and there is no trade protection.
He is a UFA in a year's time and as much as we love him, he does lack ideal size. With the addition of Hamilton, Gio and Brodie can play their natural left side. That would bump Russell down to the third pairing. Would he be as effective there as he was this season?.
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Going from Russell to Franson is a downgrade IMO
If we are looking for depth, I'd really rather just try to bring back Schlemko. We have 15 forwards for 13 spots, I don't see a problem having 8 D for 7 spots.
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08-03-2015, 09:08 PM
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#1614
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Original FFIV
As people have correctly pointed out, Wideman has a NMC which makes him hard to move.
Is there any chance we move Russell in order to make room for Franson? Russell's deal is very financially attractive and there is no trade protection.
He is a UFA in a year's time and as much as we love him, he does lack ideal size. With the addition of Hamilton, Gio and Brodie can play their natural left side. That would bump Russell down to the third pairing. Would he be as effective there as he was this season?
If we are set on Franson, we have to make room. Brodie, Gio and Hamilton aren't going anywhere, and if Wideman wants to stay, he can. So that only leaves Russell and Engelland. Engelland may not generate any interest, which leaves Russell as perhaps the odd man out.
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Hamilton is also a right shot and plays the right side. I don't see the point in signing Franson as he would probably replace Engelland but for me we need Engelland's toughness in the lineup.
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08-03-2015, 10:54 PM
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#1615
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Apparently Franson was spotted on a plane going to Calgary.
Don't see how the Flames can fit him in capwise, but there you go. For all we know, he is coming to Calgary for non-hockey reasons.
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There's also a significant amount of management types in Calgary right now for the U20 summer camp.
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08-03-2015, 11:12 PM
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#1616
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
Wideman is better than Franson
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Explain please, without saying points or ice time.
Franson is a damn good dman
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08-03-2015, 11:18 PM
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#1617
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Oct 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheerio
Franson is a damn good dman
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If that were true, he wouldn't be without a contract as of Aug 3.
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08-03-2015, 11:21 PM
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#1618
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by frodo_t_baggins
If that were true, he wouldn't be without a contract as of Aug 3.
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Maybe he's without a contract because he's trying to decide between a short term and a long term deal? Maybe he has a deal on the table with a team pending cap movement? I can assure you that the reason he doesn't have a contract is not that he actually sucks.
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08-03-2015, 11:22 PM
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#1619
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Could Care Less
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheerio
Explain please, without saying points or ice time.
Franson is a damn good dman
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Smarter, better shot, more physical, better first pass, better leadership skills. Oh ya and more points.
The only thing Franson is better at is skating.
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08-03-2015, 11:24 PM
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#1620
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheerio
Explain please, without saying points or ice time.
Franson is a damn good dman
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Why? Are points and minutes played not important any more? Did advanced stats in baseball make RBIs and Runs scored stop mattering?
And Franson was hot garbage in Nashville after the trade. Maybe you can explain why he was still 'damn good' despite being a healthy scratch.
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