Sutter is the problem

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly in the end the problem lies with Murray Edwards.

All this ownership hate has to stop. It's ####ing ridiculous. People are hired to get a job a done. PERIOD. This is Sutter's purview and no one else's. Murray Edwards doesn't manage the bench and doesn't set the game plan. Sutter #### the bed regardless of who hired him. The fact Treliving was given the greenlight to sack Sutter as part of the enticement for him to stay speaks volumes. This lands at Sutter's feet and no one else. If Treliving didn't have the sack to make the changes necessary, it's a good thing the weak sonofabitch is gone.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

All this ownership hate has to stop. It's ####ing ridiculous. People are hired to get a job a done. PERIOD. This is Sutter's purview and no one else's. Murray Edwards doesn't manage the bench and doesn't set the game plan. Sutter #### the bed regardless of who hired him. The fact Treliving was given the greenlight to sack Sutter as part of the enticement for him to stay speaks volumes. This lands at Sutter's feet and no one else. If Treliving didn't have the sack to make the changes necessary, it's a good thing the weak sonofabitch is gone.

The power imbalance from extending Sutter and keeping Treliving without a contract 100% lies on Edwards IMO.

If you're going to extend Sutter, and Treliving is being non-committal then he should have fired Treliving before this season and brought in new long term solution at GM then.

Leaving Treliving as a lame duck GM this season is part of the problem IMO.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The owner hired the coach and took away the GM's ability to fire him how is this on Treliving?

This is the owners fault for hiring a coach that is incapable of getting the job done, one that has caused 2 players to leave 2 more mulling their futures in Calgary and a bunch more of according to reports explicitly asked for Sutter to be fired.

[musth]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Why not? He likes to pull the organization strings from behind the curtains and pay others to face the tough questions about why this organization is a mess which is largely his own doing. I'm just putting out the face of the micromanager that hides in the shadows.

can someone with more skills please superimpose that face pic with the gif of kevin dropping the chili at dunder mifflen

so perfect

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The power imbalance from extending Sutter and keeping Treliving without a contract 100% lies on Edwards IMO.

If you're going to extend Sutter, and Treliving is being non-committal then he should have fired Treliving before this season and brought in new long term solution at GM then.

Leaving Treliving as a lame duck GM this season is part of the problem IMO.

One weird thing in all this, and perhaps its because he just doesnt have his facts straight, is that the last 2 times I heard Seravalli talk on the subject, he made it sound like it was Treliving who approached Edwards about extending Sutter.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The owner hired the coach and took away the GM's ability to fire him how is this on Treliving?

This is the owners fault for hiring a coach that is incapable of getting the job done, one that has caused 2 players to leave 2 more mulling their futures in Calgary and a bunch more of according to reports explicitly asked for Sutter to be fired.

Bull. Treliving supposedly reached out to Sutter when Ward was hired, so it wasn't like he wasn't on board with Sutter coming back. The fact that part of the enticement for Treliving to return was the opportunity to sack Sutter tells me the Sutter hiring stuff is a red herring, especially when you consider the extension which happened on Treliving's watch. This Murray Edwards stuff is pure fan fiction.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

One weird thing in all this, and perhaps its because he just doesnt have his facts straight, is that the last 2 times I heard Seravalli talk on the subject, he made it sound like it was Treliving who approached Edwards about extending Sutter.

They were having a great season. I bet he and Sutter got along fine then. even now, I'm betting any rift is overblown, like every other thing we imagine (owner meddling/player complaints/player decisions).

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They were having a great season. I bet he and Sutter got along fine then. even now, I'm betting any rift is overblown, like every other thing we imagine (owner meddling/player complaints/player decisions).

Yes
Probably the notion that Treliving wanted a break holds a decent amount of truth to it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Yes
Probably the notion that Treliving wanted a break holds a decent amount of truth to it.

Dude has been in high level organized hockey since he was a 17 year old kid in the BCHL and then the Dub. Went straight from ECHL into minor league management and then to the Coyotes and Flames. 11 years in Phoenix and 9 in Calgary. Probably deserves a little time off.

It's funny having a peek at his db. Treliving has played with a lot of NHLers, and lot who ended up coaching/management.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Bull. Treliving supposedly reached out to Sutter when Ward was hired, so it wasn't like he wasn't on board with Sutter coming back. The fact that part of the enticement for Treliving to return was the opportunity to sack Sutter tells me the Sutter hiring stuff is a red herring, especially when you consider the extension which happened on Treliving's watch. This Murray Edwards stuff is pure fan fiction.

Yeah, Treliving wanted Sutter for a while and the owners paid big bucks for him. If it is true that Treliving then wanted to fire Sutter during this season, it's hard to blame the owners for saying no to letting him pick another coach.

When you listen to Treliving talk about the Sutter hire, it sounds like it was 100% his decision.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1649108907250585601

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Bull. Treliving supposedly reached out to Sutter when Ward was hired, so it wasn't like he wasn't on board with Sutter coming back. The fact that part of the enticement for Treliving to return was the opportunity to sack Sutter tells me the Sutter hiring stuff is a red herring, especially when you consider the extension which happened on Treliving's watch. This Murray Edwards stuff is pure fan fiction.

And if I went back and looked what you had to say the day Sutter was hired?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And if I went back and looked what you had to say the day Sutter was hired?

You'd see I hated it and thought it was a massive mistake. Have been a critic of the move from the second it was suggested and even more so as it played out, even with last year's success. Sutter is a dinosaur.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

You'd see I hated it and thought it was a massive mistake. Have been a critic of the move from the second it was suggested and even more so as it played out, even with last year's success. Sutter is a dinosaur.

Are you two around the same age?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I agree the goaltending was a huge problem, but the 1,000 pound gorilla in the room was the OT record. The team never practiced 3-on-3 or shoot-outs like they mattered. For a team that was locked in so many close games you would think the team would prepare for the inevitability of playing 3-on-3 or going to the shootout. The failure there is completely at his feet and was out of sheer stubbornness. The game has passed him by and that is the ultimate proof of it.

Is this fact or opinion?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

You'd see I hated it and thought it was a massive mistake. Have been a critic of the move from the second it was suggested and even more so as it played out, even with last year's success. Sutter is a dinosaur.

Not what I'm seeing ...

On your Sutter feelings or who you thought hired him then vs now.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Is this fact or opinion?

I heard media people who attend all of the practices having a conversation about the bad OT record, and asking each other if any of them had seen them practice 3 on 3, and the answer was no

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Is this fact or opinion?

Was reported in the media and talked about here. Maybe that's BS, but it would make sense seeing as how lost the team was in those areas of the game.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not what I'm seeing ...

On your Sutter feelings or who you thought hired him then vs now.

On the day Sutter was hired, I think I was probably hopeful he could turn the team around and get us back on track from where Ward had the team. But that enthusiasm from "getting back together with the old girlfriend" quickly fizzled as I remembered what terrible bitch she was and how bad a girlfriend she really was. So probably took two games before reality sunk in and I went full anti-Sutter and the crap hockey he brought back with him.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

On the day Sutter was hired, I think I was probably hopeful he could turn the team around and get us back on track from where Ward had the team. But that enthusiasm from "getting back together with the old girlfriend" quickly fizzled as I remembered what terrible bitch she was and how bad a girlfriend she really was. So probably took two games before reality sunk in and I went full anti-Sutter and the crap hockey he brought back with him.

Come on man ...

Just call it a day ... that is as back peddled as it gets.

And maybe ease up on the over the top sermons when the history shows you have literally swapped sides on his hiring and who did the hiring.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I heard media people who attend all of the practices having a conversation about the bad OT record, and asking each other if any of them had seen them practice 3 on 3, and the answer was no

NHL practices are so short I can imagine it wasn't done at least in regular season.