Tipping- Part XLV

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

Don't drop below 6% or so, because a lot of them are required to "tip out" 6% to the kitchen, they are paying to serve you if you tip less.

Even in bad service I won't tip less.

I'm inclined to think that for some people the only way it registers with them is if they are in some financial pain.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Maybe in theory. In practice, most everyone tips for average or better service. And a lot of people will even tip for poor service.

Oh yeah, and I am one of those people. I give 15% pretty much regardless unless you set on my table on fire.

Then I give 20%.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Papa John's has gone sofar as to mention on the box that any delivery fee is not a tip and doesn't go to drivers.

While I don't support the delivery fee, and think that needs to change along with our tipping culture, stiffing the driver any tip is a pretty d-bag move. Guy makes minimum wage and pays for fuel/mileage himself, tips are effectively his pay.

Until the problem is fixed (culture, pricing, pay models) stiffing the average Joe whose base salary is based on getting tips already, is pretty brutal.

Again, that sounds like a personal problem.

It literally says "$5.00 delivery charge" there is no way I am tipping on top of the $5 charge for the $20 pizza I ordered.

I don't care how much the delivery guy is getting paid.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Again, that sounds like a personal problem.

It literally says "$5.00 delivery charge" there is no way I am tipping on top of the $5 charge for the $20 pizza I ordered.

I don't care how much the delivery guy is getting paid.

With that logic you should almost never tip for anything.

The only reason to tip is that you feel they aren't making enough money. Tipping does not correlate with poor service in general. Now if you are a weekly patron of one restaurant then in might affect your service but if you are not recognizable as a bad tipper then the only reason to tip is to make a low income job better.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Maybe in theory. In practice, most everyone tips for average or better service. And a lot of people will even tip for poor service.

I'm being lazy in not providing a source but I remember reading that tipping amounts does not correlate at all with service. Its things like body contact, attractiveness, and other manipulative psychological games that have nothing to do with service that correlate well with tip size.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Weitz

It literally says "$5.00 delivery charge" there is no way I am tipping on top of the $5 charge for the $20 pizza I ordered.

I would say that a $3-5 tip would be expected. So that means you have a couple of options available- go pick it up yourself for $20, or pay $28 to have it delivered. Years ago when most pizza places offered free delivery, the pizza would have been $25 for pickup, or $28 with tip on delivery. All they are doing with the delivery charge is offering a discount for pickup.

Chinese food places generally have this right. Free delivery, or 15% off for pickup orders.

And if you regularly order pizza, not tipping will have an impact on your future service. A driver with more than one order will try to get to the customer who tips before you. Whereas at a restaurant the service won't be impacted quite so much.

Don't get me wrong, the delivery charge makes me pick up more pizzas than I would without it- so I get wanting to take the less expensive way out. It also means I have to go out and do the work of getting the pizza from the shop to my house.

[wookster]

For restaurants and pubs etc. I tip based on the service I receive. Whether it be the bartender or the wait staff...My tip range goes from 0% for ####ty service (with a note saying why) up to 30-35% for great service with 15% for what I believe to be standard service.

My one exception is places that will automatically include gratuity on the bill for you regardless of the service you receive. It annoys me to no end when I see that and I generally avoid going to places that do this. They have ensured that they will never receive more than what they are making me pay regardless of the service they provide.

[Fuzz]

If you are going to bother reading a note you are better to talk to a manager and give them a chance to make it right. At least you might get something for your troubles.

[wookster]

Not really looking to get something for my troubles in a situation like that, as not giving a tip is actually saving me money. I really only speak to a manager if its something outside of the wait staff's control, like a hair in my food or undercooked chicken or something like that. If its the service itself, I prefer to deal directly with the source and let them know why they aren't getting a tip.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by wookster

Not really looking to get something for my troubles in a situation like that, as not giving a tip is actually saving me money. I really only speak to a manager if its something outside of the wait staff's control, like a hair in my food or undercooked chicken or something like that. If its the service itself, I prefer to deal directly with the source and let them know why they aren't getting a tip.

So do you tell them to discuss the issue or do you just leave your note and cowardly walk away.

[jeffporfirio]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I would say that a $3-5 tip would be expected. So that means you have a couple of options available- go pick it up yourself for $20, or pay $28 to have it delivered. Years ago when most pizza places offered free delivery, the pizza would have been $25 for pickup, or $28 with tip on delivery. All they are doing with the delivery charge is offering a discount for pickup.

Chinese food places generally have this right. Free delivery, or 15% off for pickup orders.

And if you regularly order pizza, not tipping will have an impact on your future service. A driver with more than one order will try to get to the customer who tips before you. Whereas at a restaurant the service won't be impacted quite so much.

Don't get me wrong, the delivery charge makes me pick up more pizzas than I would without it- so I get wanting to take the less expensive way out. It also means I have to go out and do the work of getting the pizza from the shop to my house.

I always tip pizza delivery folks, regardless of the service charge, knowing that they cover their own gas. Especially so on cold nights, I figure how much could they pay me to get in the car to go get a pizza.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by wookster

Not really looking to get something for my troubles in a situation like that, as not giving a tip is actually saving me money. I really only speak to a manager if its something outside of the wait staff's control, like a hair in my food or undercooked chicken or something like that. If its the service itself, I prefer to deal directly with the source and let them know why they aren't getting a tip.

Yikes.

Whether you tip or not, the practice of explaining your tip is one that should die immediately.

Tips are customary, but they are also just a reflection of your opinion - not fact. It's unlikely in that any explanation you might give to a server regarding why you didn't tip is going to be helpful. At best, it's subjective and useless. At worst, it's condescending and will ensure you get 'special treatment' if they remember you next time.

If you want to tip, tip. If you don't, don't. Servers aren't stupid people, they can figure out why they got an extra tip or why they got a low one. They know what the job is, how to attract tips, and what costs them tips. The tip itself is the guiding force, not your note. Please don't leave notes anymore.

[TheSutterDynasty]

If we all stopped tipping then people would quit the poorly paid jobs, forcing companies to pay them more, and we don't have to pay their damn wage. It's called tipping, it's extra.

Why tip someone for a job I am capable of doing myself? I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair. I did, however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.

[MoneyGuy]

Tipped your urologist? That's weird.

[Izzle]

Just the tip.

[FireGilbert]

Someone doesn't get that funny pop culture reference.

[IGGYRULES]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yikes.

Whether you tip or not, the practice of explaining your tip is one that should die immediately.

Tips are customary, but they are also just a reflection of your opinion - not fact. It's unlikely in that any explanation you might give to a server regarding why you didn't tip is going to be helpful. At best, it's subjective and useless. At worst, it's condescending and will ensure you get 'special treatment' if they remember you next time.

If you want to tip, tip. If you don't, don't. Servers aren't stupid people, they can figure out why they got an extra tip or why they got a low one. They know what the job is, how to attract tips, and what costs them tips. The tip itself is the guiding force, not your note. Please don't leave notes anymore.

Hang on a second. You don't understand why you should tip for pizza delivery.... and then criticizing someone who appears to understand tipping etiquette more than yourself! Yikes is right.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by IGGYRULES

Hang on a second. You don't understand why you should tip for pizza delivery.... and then criticizing someone who appears to understand tipping etiquette more than yourself! Yikes is right.

What are you talking about? I don't understand tipping for something that isn't a quality-based act. Tipping a delivery driver when I'm already charged for delivery seems like tipping a cashier for ringing through my groceries.

But hey, at least I'm not the guy handing a note to the delivery driver saying "I don't understand why I have to tip you, so I didn't."

Get it?

[IGGYRULES]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What are you talking about? I don't understand tipping for something that isn't a quality-based act. Tipping a delivery driver when I'm already charged for delivery seems like tipping a cashier for ringing through my groceries.

But hey, at least I'm not the guy handing a note to the delivery driver saying "I don't understand why I have to tip you, so I didn't."

Get it?

You said you'd never done it because you're "already paying for the food and delivery usually". Why tip at a restaurant if your already paying for the food? Plus those drinks you ordered have good margins so the staff should get a little cut from that.

Whatever you need to do to justify it to yourself guess. Id say a delivery driver is more deserving of a tip then the other service based jobs listed in this thread. As already pointed out there are expenses that others don't have as well as inherent risks.



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[Mister Yamoto]

Tipping a delivery driver is not mandatory but it is expected and necessary.

So if you don't give the guy a buck or two you have basically tricked a poor person into bringing you your dinner for free. Congrats. Laughing at the guy and slamming your door takes it to another level.

And if having your dinner delivered to your doorstep isn't a "special service" then what is?

ken0042s' post is bang on. Give the guy a couple bucks or get in your car and pick it up yourself.