It wasn't long ago that tips did in fact get servers to a living wage because there was a server minimum wage which was below the general minimum. I think that most of Canada still has a servers wage which is $1 or $2 per hour lower than minimum wage.
right, but now the servers min is the same as the general min at $12.20 going to $15 oct 1,2018. So we can drop to 0% tips now?
right, but now the servers min is the same as the general min at $12.20 going to $15 oct 1,2018. So we can drop to 0% tips now?
At $15 I think that tipping will be much more merit based. I'll probably tip less frequently at that point but for exceptional service I'll probably still give something.
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right, but now the servers min is the same as the general min at $12.20 going to $15 oct 1,2018. So we can drop to 0% tips now?
I'm going to Melbourne for Christmas this Weekend. What is the convention there? I've been a few times before but never thought to ask before.
No tipping. You will see tip jars and tip entry on debit machines and can tip if you want but it is not expected. The minimum wage here is pretty high and tipping is still considered a negative influence of American culture.
The only exceptions would be it is okay to round up (eg. give a cabbie $20 for a $19.50 ride) and I will provide a small tip if I receive exceptional service at a fancy restaurant or to a bell hop and valet at a 5 star hotel.
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I ordered pizza last night and there was a $5.00 delivery charge.
I didn't tip the delivery guy and he was furious. I just laughed and closed the door.
Papa John's has gone sofar as to mention on the box that any delivery fee is not a tip and doesn't go to drivers.
While I don't support the delivery fee, and think that needs to change along with our tipping culture, stiffing the driver any tip is a pretty d-bag move. Guy makes minimum wage and pays for fuel/mileage himself, tips are effectively his pay.
Until the problem is fixed (culture, pricing, pay models) stiffing the average Joe whose base salary is based on getting tips already, is pretty brutal.
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I've always wondered why a bartender would deserve a tip if you order a tallboy (literally a can) and all they do is open the can for you. That process took all of 2 seconds and expended no effort.
Why exactly should I tip for that? Oh, right, because it's an alcoholic drink. Like that somehow makes a difference.
You don't have to tip at all, and this is coming from a guy who paid his way through university as a bartender. But, if you don't tip, and you roll your eyes, you are most likely not going to be served quickly when you come back up for a second beer. I won't avoid you, but if there are two people at the bar, and one hasn't tipped, I'm going to the other person first. If this is a bigger bar during busy times, you could be waiting awhile. If you tip a buck and say thank you, I'll remember that every time you come back. If that $1 is too much for your $9 beer, then I'm going to go after the people that are tipping, as I'm making $6.00 per hour (it's been awhile since I've been behind a bar).
At my bar hot girls were always, always served last by me. They are used to being served first, so they expect it. I don't like that. Other people are used to them getting served first, and they don't like it. They usually tip the worst, if at all, as they think their hotness is a tip. When regular guys and girls see the hot girls getting passed over for drinks in favour of them, they appreciate it more, and they also tip me more than they were going to. It also leads to the hot girls leaving me phone numbers and hanging around the bar more. I can explain it, but it doesn't make sense. They know they are hot, and are used to people pandering to them. If I'm not, I must be higher on the food chain than they are. Because of this, they now see me as desirable. If I had served them first and hit on them, they'd see me as a peasant and would tell me to go away. About 90% of the time, this works every time.
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Back when I used to work in the take-out pizza game, there were two pay systems:
-Drivers got a little more than minimum wage.
-Drivers got X dollars per delivery.
Now this was back when minimum wage was $5.50 per hour, and the two places I worked it was either $6 per hour, or $2 per delivery. The problem with the $2 per delivery was there was no incentive for the restaurant to have fewer drivers on, so often you only made one or two deliveries per hour. Then a bunch of drivers would quit, and you'd make good money for a week or two.
In either case, the tips are what paid the bills as far as vehicle costs. On a Friday night a driver working a 10 hour shift could walk out with $150-200; less about $20 for gas. Under the $6 per hour they could be assured of walking out with $100 after gas; even on a slow night.
Once I got out, the shift was towards carry-out. They started offering carry-out deals. Now they just have whatever deals, and you pay the basic salary of the driver in a delivery fee.
However the implication is unfair to the driver, that they are getting a wage plus $5 per delivery. They aren't- likely just a wage; and possibly a buck per delivery.
I'll tip a server at a restaurant but that's it. Sorry Mr. Bartender, but pouring me my beer or opening my bottle or can for me is your job. You get paid to do that. Maybe if you go above and beyond and tell me a joke or do some cool tricks I'll give you something for the extra effort, but that's it.
And nothing fires me up more than fast-food places that ask for tips. No. Not happening.
I'm not sure I understand the idea of tipping the delivery driver.
I've never done it, because I'm paying for the food... and the delivery usually... and I don't even know what a delivery driver doing an "above average" job would look like, so what would I be tipping for?
I used to work bars in England and Ireland. Tipping was/is not expected and very rarely happens. This is great news especially in busy pubs.
When I worked the bar I always remembered those that told me to ring a drink through for myself. When they came back to the bar, they were served first. Every time.
I learnt that lesson well, so whenever I go for my first drink, the bar person gets one as well. And presto, when I go back to the bar I'm almost always served faster than I'd otherwise expect.
I'll also buy the bar person a drink for my last round if I'm served fast throughout the night.
I'm not sure I understand the idea of tipping the delivery driver.
I've never done it, because I'm paying for the food... and the delivery usually... and I don't even know what a delivery driver doing an "above average" job would look like, so what would I be tipping for?
You're tipping for the convenience of not having to pick up the food yourself. The driver has to pay for gas, insurance, repairs etc. out his own pocket. Maybe 20% is too much, but should at least give 10%.
You're tipping for the convenience of not having to pick up the food yourself. The driver has to pay for gas, insurance, repairs etc. out his own pocket. Maybe 20% is too much, but should at least give 10%.
I think you are confusing tipping (which is done for exceptional service) and paying for a service.
Even if there is no delivery fee, the fact that the restaurant is offering the service means that they have decided to include it in the services that they are offering (and have included the cost of that services in what they charged you).
Do you get tipped 10-20% on a will or the sale of a house? You should, after all, you had to pay for law school, rent, utilities and all of the related disbursements!
I tip pizza guys $5. They rely on tips as much as bar and restaurant staff do. Though I've never ordered from a place that has a delivery charge. If I did, I would not tip on top of that.
Who I tip:
Waitresses
Bartenders
Barbers
Cabbies
Pizza guys
That's it.
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