[Rumour] Contract talks with Kylington progressing

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Yes which I never argued so why did you enter this conversation?

That’s his thing. Enjoy the entertainment.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

AFTER they agreed for him not to come to camp, they had to pay him. But in the circumstances, they DID NOT HAVE TO AGREE, and then they had options not to pay him. They did not seek to use any of those options, even though it caused them to pay a man several million dollars for no work.

Where is this documented proof that they didn't have to pay him?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Yes which I never argued so why did you enter this conversation?

You argued that they had to pay him no matter what, so they don't deserve any credit for doing so. You have consistently ignored the fact that there was a course of action open to them that would have allowed them to petition the league to toll or terminate Kylington's contract, and they never started on that course. That is what they deserve credit for.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Dion

Where is this documented proof that they didn't have to pay him?

It's in the Standard Player Contract. If a player fails to show up to perform his duties, he can be held in breach of contract and the contract can be tolled or cancelled.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It's in the Standard Player Contract. If a player fails to show up to perform his duties, he can be held in breach of contract and the contract can be tolled or cancelled.

Not while he's receiving treatment from the players assistance program.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You argued that they had to pay him no matter what, so they don't deserve any credit for doing so. You have consistently ignored the fact that there was a course of action open to them that would have allowed them to petition the league to toll or terminate Kylington's contract, and they never started on that course. That is what they deserve credit for.

Yes in the facts of what transpired they absolutely had to pay him. Your imaginary scenarios of Kylington not showing up to camp after Flames not agreeing didn't happen so not worth thinking about.

Flames agreed and did not have a choice to not pay him. They deserve credit from you for allowing him to get better at home and treating him like a human.

And your tolling comment is wrong. The Flames can't petition the league to toll his contract. They need to agree with Kylington mutually and then the league decides if they'll allow it.

[Dion]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1612951065036742656

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It's in the Standard Player Contract. If a player fails to show up to perform his duties, he can be held in breach of contract and the contract can be tolled or cancelled.

This is true for any player and any injury so not relevant to this situation where both teams agreed to him not showing up.

I know you love to argue but again let's not talk about imaginary scenarios.

Facts are facts and he had to be paid for what actually transpired.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Yes in the facts of what transpired they absolutely had to pay him. Your imaginary scenarios of Kylington not showing up to camp after Flames not agreeing didn't happen so not worth thinking about.

Here is the exact logical sum of your argument:

‘They deserve no credit for what they did, because they did not do what they did not do.’

That's bollocks.

And your tolling comment is wrong. The Flames can't petition the league to toll his contract. They need to agree with Kylington mutually and then the league decides if they'll allow it.

They can still petition the league to terminate the contract outright, and that does not require mutual agreement – only unconditional waivers (which Kylington, in the circumstances, would most probably have cleared).

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

This is true for any player and any injury so not relevant to this situation where both teams agreed to him not showing up.

I know you love to argue but again let's not talk about imaginary scenarios.

Facts are facts and he had to be paid for what actually transpired.

Everything except what actually happened is an imaginary scenario, by definition – everywhere and always.

But they made a clear and expensive CHOICE to do what they did, and it is for that that they deserve credit.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Here is the exact logical sum of your argument:

‘They deserve no credit for what they did, because they did not do what they did not do.’

That's bollocks.



They can still petition the league to terminate the contract outright, and that does not require mutual agreement – only unconditional waivers (which Kylington, in the circumstances, would most probably have cleared).

They can petition the league to terminate Huberdeaus contract if he ends up killing someone in Calgary as well or commits a serious crime. That's another made up scenario that didn't happen.

Again, eat your heart out and praise the Flames for allowing him to get better through the players assistance program while being at home.

No praise for paying him though.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Here is the exact logical sum of your argument:

‘They deserve no credit for what they did, because they did not do what they did not do.’

That's bollocks.



They can still petition the league to terminate the contract outright, and that does not require mutual agreement – only unconditional waivers (which Kylington, in the circumstances, would most probably have cleared).

No they can't.

Players who enter the program, which is strictly voluntary, continue to get paid while receiving counseling, treatment and other services. The program also offers a hotline that players and their relatives can call to speak with mental health professionals.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/...stance-program

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Dion

No they can't.



https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/...stance-program

Was Kylington, in fact, actually in the player assistance program? If so, I missed hearing about it.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Was Kylington, in fact, actually in the player assistance program? If so, I missed hearing about it.

He was

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Dion

Grow up!

Piss off, do you even read the FOI forum? I only ever see your posts in the off topic forum. How can you take offence to me calling ZM a troll when you admitted you don't even know his posting history?? Some of us would like to talk hockey without someone constantly derailing everything with their bs posts. By defending him you are encouraging him to continue his behavior. You do know this is a returning banned poster right?

[dustygoon]

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Shilly is signing with the Penguins?

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Piss off, do you even read the FOI forum? I only ever see your posts in the off topic forum. How can you take offence to me calling ZM a troll when you admitted you don't even know his posting history?? Some of us would like to talk hockey without someone constantly derailing everything with their bs posts. By defending him you are encouraging him to continue his behavior. You do know this is a returning banned poster right?

I think you're unhinged because I said you didn't have reputable sources? You need to calm down as it's only my opinion.

Aren't you a police officer? Maybe try to be as good of a person online as you are in real life.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Dion

He was

I don't believe that is a fact. It was speculated (Frank) that he was in Players' Assistance but that was already well into the season. One article I noticed said "Kylington sat all year on IR and was never formally announced to be placed in the NHLPA Player Assistance Program." The stated reason at the beginning of that season was that he was on leave for a "family situation" (or something like that.)

So, my two cents, there was nothing that prevented the Flames from requiring him to attend camp and, if not attending, take action with the league regarding his contract. Instead, they chose to accept the reason for his absence and support him throughout, regardless of whether or when Kylington chose to avail himself of the Players' Assistance Program.

[Yeah_Baby]