[PGT] Flames lose 3-0 to Blues. The 'they'll never score again' edition

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

We have the players to sell that could expedite the all mighty hell out of a rebuild. We've got the ammo over the next two seasons to really replenish the prospect pool, and look to have the ability to maximize our own draft pick value while doing so.

It has to start now, otherwise the pain is only going to get prolonged.

I don’t think trade deadline returns will do much for a rebuild. I’ll just be happy if they don’t re-sign a single UFA

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I've never been a Huska apologist but the vitriol beind directed his way is pretty unfair. Even if he IS a downgrade on Sutter, coaches usually do need 15 games to establish their systems.

best case scenario is this is our 2017-18 Avalanche season. Except we also use the down year to bare down and sell on Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, etc

He has a system?

It’s hard to tell from these games

[dino7c]

Lindholm also said they played like ####

Huska said they deserved boos

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

So many people wanted a rebuild, but for some reason no one is happy in the PGTs.

This is what a rebuild looks like. You lose games with a bunch of mediocre players.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

So many people wanted a rebuild, but for some reason no one is happy in the PGTs.

This is what a rebuild looks like. You lose games with a bunch of mediocre players.

And you have to hit the cap floor

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by drewtastic

Neat seeing the Flames’ new motto displayed on the virtual-ad boards, though!

I thought you were doing a “this guy scored” graphic. We’re about at that point.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

To be fair, it’s a new season. The Red Wings look like they might make a strong push for the playoffs this year. Same as the Penguins. Jets will also be in the mix but there’s no guarantee they’ll make it. The Rangers are obviously a lock. The other teams we’re definitely beatable and we only beat one of them

I don't think NY or Pittsburgh are very good, the Jets are average and Washington sucks.
But I hear your point, last years playoff teams aren't necessarily the current best 16 teams.

[gboom]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I've never been a Huska apologist but the vitriol beind directed his way is pretty unfair. Even if he IS a downgrade on Sutter, coaches usually do need 15 games to establish their systems.

best case scenario is this is our 2017-18 Avalanche season. Except we also use the down year to bare down and sell on Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, etc

100% agree on Huska. Difference being with this group that they should’ve started the season like a house on fire, heck they successfully ran their mean dinosaur of a coach out of town and are now free to spread their wings and show us all how they were right and mean coach was wrong. Wow that’s working out great so far. I feel sorry for Huska that this is his first head coaching opportunity. Seems like he’s doomed from the start, it’s a shame really, since I think he could be a really good coach

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

We have players to sell...but we'll get SFA for them the way they've been playing. Conny has zero leverage.

You get what you can, and then you tell your scouts to do their job and get out of their way.

They'll still get good value for these guys.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

So firing Sutter and continuing to pay him that was a good idea?

Can we bring him back?

No!!!!
Because
Well
Fun

In fact

We really need to fire him again!

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

So many people wanted a rebuild, but for some reason no one is happy in the PGTs.

This is what a rebuild looks like. You lose games with a bunch of mediocre players.

You mean this is what it looks like after a rebuild should have started?

[memphusk]

Even Huska told me we will be waiting a long time if we're waiting for Kadri and Huberdeau to take over and win games.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

So many people wanted a rebuild, but for some reason no one is happy in the PGTs.

This is what a rebuild looks like. You lose games with a bunch of mediocre players.

No you don’t loose games like this with 22M plus on the first line. Losing games during a rebuild like how the current Hawks, early Lightning or Avs teams were I’m fine with.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I don't think NY or Pittsburgh are very good, the Jets are average and Washington sucks.
But I hear your point, last years playoff teams aren't necessarily the current best 16 teams.

NY is as good as anyone

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

So many people wanted a rebuild, but for some reason no one is happy in the PGTs.

This is what a rebuild looks like. You lose games with a bunch of mediocre players.

That’s because most people wanted a rebuild before Weegar, Huberdeau, and Kadri were signed. I also think the Flames are going to get screwed again and send a high pick to Montreal in that Monahan trade. If there was zero chance of that I’d feel better

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Huberdeau & Kadri were probably the reason Sutter turned so sour on everyone last season.

Could you blame that 100% work-ethic/no-BS mindset when it comes to those $17.5M worth of prima donnas?

Sutter was the only lifeline of integrity remaining on the team.

Lol This Sutter vs Huberdeau/Kadri narrative you keep pushing is hilarious.

Sutter is a great coach on ice, and it looks like his systems were the only thing keeping the team competitive, but that's not why he was fired.

He was fired because he toxic around the organization and not just Kadri and Huberdeau.

He was fired because Sutter was a jerk to everyone including rookies playing their first NHL games.

He was fired because players who were long term Flames like Backlund, Lindholm, Hanifin, and many others also seemed to want out of Calgary if Sutter was still coach.

And he was fired because even the new GM said he was miserable to be around.

And in the end he's a big part to blame for where this organization is because Tkachuk (for sure) and Gaudreau (at least partially) both left at least in part because Sutter was coach.

Even if the team is worse on ice now it was still the right move to fire Sutter.

- If all your top players want out then there is no use in having Sutter as coach because you won't be good enough to win

- And if the team isn't good enough to win then might as well not have Sutter as coach because he's going to prevent you from bottoming out

- And he refuses to play young players, so not good for a team going through a transition anyways

But sure let's make Sutter the hero when he's just as much of a reason for this organizations failures as Huberdeau and Kadri. Maybe even more so when you factor in he's a big reason those guys are even here since he was a big reason Tkachuk wanted out

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

No you don’t loose games like this with 22M plus on the first line. Losing games during a rebuild like how the current Hawks, early Lightning or Avs teams were I’m fine with.

The wizard made sure it’s impossible to properly rebuild

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

So many people wanted a rebuild, but for some reason no one is happy in the PGTs.

This is what a rebuild looks like. You lose games with a bunch of mediocre players.

No...you lose games with a bunch of low-priced mediocre young players. That is a LOT different. And you have picks as a result of selling off your high-priced mediocre old players.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Maybe this year can be for the Flames what 2017 was for the Stars

Stars missed the playoffs for 6 of the previous 7 seasons. Suspect that will happen first for the Flames.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

No you don’t loose games like this with 22M plus on the first line. Losing games during a rebuild like how the current Hawks, early Lightning or Avs teams were I’m fine with.

Yeah you have to reach the cap floor...you are talking about those teams AFTER they had high drafts not the seasons that got them those picks