2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The original band of misfits core of Karlsson, Marchessault, R Smith, Theodore, and McNabb are still pretty important playeTheodore,rs, and a big part of their culture. And while Stone was brought in on a big contract, he’s a highly respected leader, and not somebody I would characterize as a mercenary. Despite the ruthless asset management, Vegas still seem to have a strong culture.

I wouldn't describe Vegas as building through young cost controlled players was the point I'm making. These guys were mid career outside of Theodore and they traded young prospects and futures or cut bait on other players to sign the pieces they needed which were pretty much all established nhlers. Im not implying a negative connotation I just mean they signed or traded for established guys... The team was not built through the draft or young non proven players for the most part. It can be done technically signing short term fixes if your picking up the right players like Vegas.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

But it's hard to figure out what they could offer up that would be of interest to the Flames.
If you could pull off a Hanifin for Lundell deal that would be great but not sure they will move him as he's the heir apparent to Barkov.

They would gladly move guys like Denisenko but he's looking increasingly like he's a bust who will be back in the KHL similar to Kravtsov

I just can't see the right pieces.

I feel like Lundell is overrated. He's an excellent or even elite two-way player but his offensive ceiling seems pretty low. He certainly isn't on Barkov's level unless he takes some major strides in the future (which he could of course). I see a very good 2C in the making.

They wouldn't be moving him though and it goes back to him being on an ELC still. They need all the cap space they can get.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

But it's hard to figure out what they could offer up that would be of interest to the Flames.
If you could pull off a Hanifin for Lundell deal that would be great but not sure they will move him as he's the heir apparent to Barkov.

They would gladly move guys like Denisenko but he's looking increasingly like he's a bust who will be back in the KHL similar to Kravtsov

I just can't see the right pieces.

Luostarinen. He’s big (6’3”), 24 years old, plays in the guts of the game, and just had a 43 pt season with very little PP time. He can also play C or LW. Seems like the kind of player who could break out.

Add Florida’s 2nd, and a prospect like Nause, and I think that’s a decent return. The Panthers would have to do some wheeling and dealing to clear cap space, though.

[Toonage]

Flames can do better. A 1st is a must IMO

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

BUF have lots of depth at forward, and quality F prospects making a push. But they need depth on D. So they’re a good fit for a Hanifin trade.

Hanifin for Mittlestadt would be tidy. Thompson and Cozens are locked in as the top two centres on BUF, and guys like Krebs, Savoie, and Ostlund are pushing from below. Meanwhile, if the Flames move Lindholm, they’d welcome a young middle-six C to replace him. Works for both teams.

If BUF feel Mittlestadt is part of their core (and he’s very well liked in the room and by the organization), then maybe something around Savoie or the 13th overall (though I think Savoie has more value than #13).

Hanifin for Jack Quinn, Mittlestadt is a 3rd liner

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yeah a 1st is a must if its a futures deal or for a non established player.

They are getting a player in his prime that we developed for them.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Didn't Benn play for Huska and isnt he friends with Backlund...

Benn on the Flames

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Benn on the Flames

Amen.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Flames can do better. A 1st is a must IMO

I wasn’t claiming that’s the best deal the Flames could get for Hanifin. It’s a deal that the Panthers could offer.

[bluejays]

I suspect the teams with multiple picks such as the SJ with the 26th, STL with the 25th and 29th could be had. With St. Louis specifically I doubt they make both those latter picks. At the same time they dealt away older guys at the deadline, so I have no idea if the Flames players would be interesting to them, but I'd deal Mangiapane for the right price.

Anyway, with Lindholm or Hanifin, it may as well be a fact now that Treliving loves big deals and has to win them. If the Flames create media hype any way possible I suspect the value brought back for either would be very high. Treliving could be targeting Saros as he'd be a breakthrough goaltender to steal entire series' so perhaps their first is dedicated to that endeavour, but if not why not try and sell him Hanifin (if not someone else with a higher 1st like Buffalo)?

[midniteowl]

Do the Leafs still have their 1st in this draft?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Do the Leafs still have their 1st in this draft?

Yes, 28th OA

[sureLoss]

The Leafs don't have their 1st, they traded it to St. Louis in the ROR trade

They have the Bruins 1st which they acquired via Washington (Orlov/Hathaway trade) by trading Sandin to the caps.

[calf]

One thing I'd like to see is the contract extension date moved from July 1 to after the SCF/before the draft. I think the Gaudreau and Tkachuk events last summer put the entire NHL (or at least, smaller markets) on notice to be more pro-active in their asset management. Teams can re-sign their players, trade guys for picks, negotiate better returns by facilitating sign-and-trades before or at the draft, and it gives teams a bit more room to maneuver on free agent day.

[Aarongavey]

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Right winger Travis Konecny is said to be available from Philadelphia, but he makes $5.5 million (for two more seasons). Asked recently by The Athletic if he could add another high-priced player, Holland’s answer was succinct: “No chance.”

But, alas, there’s always a chance ...

Would Philly take Cody Ceci’s $3.25-million cap hit, and Foegele’s $2.75 million as part of the return? It might, if a sweetener like Xavier Bourgault or a second-rounder were part of the package.

LOL, hey do you want two ####ty hockey players for a PPG 30 goal man? We can throw in a second rounder or a ####ty prospect (not both though, don’t be greedy). Always nice to have a morning laugh.

[Roof-Daddy]

Man I want the Flames to get Konecny, but those buggers will want the 16th OA plus.

Would be nice to use Hanifin to get Konecny somehow, three way trade or trade Hanifin for futures and flip them for Konecny.

[Flamesfan05]

Only trade I would do for Benn is Kadri

Save 4 yrs of the mess Treliving got us into

[Hockey_Ninja]

Ugh. Please keep Jamie Benn away from the Flames

[bluejays]

Just thought I'd take a quick stab at removing the pending FAs from the equation to see what the Flames could be doing this off-season (using capfriendly).

Dube - (Lindholm) - (Toffoli)
Huberdeau - (Backlund) - Mangiapane
Pelletier - Kadri - Coleman
Ruzicka - (Rooney) - Duehr

(Hanifin) - Anderson
(Tanev) - Weegar
(Gilbert) - (Zadorov)
(Kylington)

Markstrom-Vladar

Waiting in the wings this year:
Coronato (RW) - likely slots into the second line
Wolf (G) - likely slots into the backup role
Zary (C, LW) - likely slots into the fourth line


With all the pending pieces and the bad UFA class this year, I think there are several likelihoods:


Forwards:

• Room has to be made for Coronato and I get a sneaking suspicion they don't trade all the vets, so Mangiapane may be dealt
• Toffoli likely stays until the deadline at least
• Backlund is dealt for a stop gap C replacement and a low 1st
• Lindholm is dealt for a mid-1st, good prospect and a 3rd
• Kadri moves to the first line
• Flames scour the FA market for a stop gap C for the lower two lines like Byron or Acciari

Defence:

• Tanev and Kylington start the season on the team as we need defensive warm bodies
• Hanifin is dealt for a pick and a prospect

Goaltenders:

• Flames deal Vladar away to make room for Wolf (insisting to their detriment that Markstrom will bounce back)

Given the FA market this year combined with many teams desperate to improve, I really think we'll see a lot of deals for the bottom 18 1st rounders. Especially combined with teams having multiple firsts with a select few not "needing" them, this draft is probably going to be trades galore.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is Philly rebuilding if not and Hanifin won't sign we can make a hockey trade around Travis and Noah.

You still need players during a rebuild. At worst they could flip Hanifin at the deadline for picks and prospects