2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[bzoo02]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Why are some so intent on bringing Lindholm back? He has proven he is not very clutch in the playoffs. He may get us there, but we will get to the playoffs without him.

Where else are they going to find a #1C?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

Where else are they going to find a #1C?

He isn't really a #1C without the dweeb.

He still has great trade value with that cap hit to try to get another #2c to replace him.

[really?]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

Where else are they going to find a #1C?

If you accept they are a contender with him as a 1C then you don’t want to lose him. If they’re better with him then without him, a deal with term is a detriment to pursuit of a cup.

Lindholm is a good player, and on a team with the pieces to win now (Canes, Rangers, Colorado…..) he could be the difference. IMO all he amounts to here is a player that keeps the team in the middle, and we as fans have been looking at that for years.

I suspect he signs here because, as you suggest, he’s probably not easily replaced over the next 2-3 years, but I imagine him being the next in a growing line of disposable heroes.

[bzoo02]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

He isn't really a #1C without the dweeb.



He still has great trade value with that cap hit to try to get another #2c to replace him.

I agree he has great trade value. I just think the move is to re-sign him and trade Hanifin for a high pick and pieces (ideally either one being a young up and coming C) that will eventually leap frog Lindholm for the 1C.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Half those players play mostly wing.

Meh - it's true most centres are over 6'. It's also true most NHL players are. What I'm saying is that there's nothing about centre versus wing that requires height.

I suspect there are more centres at 6'0" or less than LWs. Or at least the same ratio.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

Where else are they going to find a #1C?

Probably can't. But why tie up money in a player that will be in decline soon and is questionable on whether he wants to stay here?

Maybe a little bit of pain for long term gain. When you look at the expansion franchises having success without an obvious star, maybe that is the model to follow. We keep throwing money at short term fixes and it keeps biting us. As others have said, get some good young players with cost control and build that way. I sure hope we stay away from Nylander or players of that ilk that will cost way more than they are worth and start developing the young players we have (or may acquire).

Believe we might finally have a GM/Coach that are in alignment on how to build a team. Time will tell but I like what I've heard so far.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

He isn't really a #1C without the dweeb.

He still has great trade value with that cap hit to try to get another #2c to replace him.

Lindholm had the second most assists in a season in his career last year playing with Toffoli and Dube who had career years. Get true legit top line wingers playing with him he is a number 1 C just not a franchise C like the McDavid/MacKinnon/Eichel/Matthews variety.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Lindholm had the second most assists in a season in his career last year playing with Toffoli and Dube who had career years. Get true legit top line wingers playing with him he is a number 1 C just not a franchise C like the McDavid/MacKinnon/Eichel/Matthews variety.

Still his lack of production in the playoffs is deeply concerning. In our piece of crap division we should make the playoffs every year. We need to win more than 1 round or it's a bust.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Lindholm had the second most assists in a season in his career last year playing with Toffoli and Dube who had career years. Get true legit top line wingers playing with him he is a number 1 C just not a franchise C like the McDavid/MacKinnon/Eichel/Matthews variety.

They really should have pushed harder with him and Huberdeau.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Mittlestadt is very mediocre. He really doesn’t provide a whole lot now or the future. If you trade Lindholm or Hanifin, you would want a top 6 forward or a top 4 dman now or someone who can be a really good one in the future. Not someone in between

Mittlesix amirite?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

Where else are they going to find a #1C?

How much longer will Lindholm will be a #1 center? If you lock him in for 8 years after next season, it is doubtful he will be a #1 center until he is 38 years old and it would make it impossible to bring in someone else later down the line because the team won't have the cap space. With Huberdeau and Kadri already locked in to retirement contracts, I don't think it is wise to have another forward given the same kind of contract.

I think the best move now is to trade for youth and find a player that can blossom into a #1 center like Lindholm did.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Have we really had a good look at Lindholm in the 1 hole though?

21/22 really seems like the only time he was utilized in that role and he tore it up with his linemates.

Last year was well last year and it was a #1 line by name only as the rotating left side and just everything that went on with him personally and the team hard to judge.

On paper if utilized as 1-2-3 we really haven't seen the type of damage Lindholm-Kadri-Backlund can do, especially with ice time and matchups.

[dammage79]

Erase last season. Everything fell apart, and given the new story about Sutters tyranny , double down on not judging any negative player performances.

[FlamesAddiction]

Just musing a little bit here, but I wonder what direction the Florida Panthers are going to take going into next season. After winning the President's Trophy last year and making the SC finals this year, despite a disappointing regular season, I suspect they see themselves at a legit contender with a wide open window at the moment.

There are question marks though, like if the team will be healthy enough to get off to a good start next season, and of course with goaltending. Having said that, I wonder if they would pay decent price for Lindholm. He has proven chemistry with Tkachuk and a salary next season that could fit into their cap. They also have enough cap coming off the books the following year that they could extend him. A team with Barkov, Lindholm, and Bennett down the middle has to be a contender IMO. That would be insane center depth.

I wonder if the Flames could pry Lundell away. I could see him blossoming into a Lindholm caliber player in a few years with more consistent ice-time at center and on a top line. I don't know if I would do it from a Panther's perspective, but teams also do some crazy things if they feel they are close to winning the Cup.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Probably can't. But why tie up money in a player that will be in decline soon and is questionable on whether he wants to stay here?

Maybe a little bit of pain for long term gain. When you look at the expansion franchises having success without an obvious star, maybe that is the model to follow. We keep throwing money at short term fixes and it keeps biting us. As others have said, get some good young players with cost control and build that way. I sure hope we stay away from Nylander or players of that ilk that will cost way more than they are worth and start developing the young players we have (or may acquire).

Believe we might finally have a GM/Coach that are in alignment on how to build a team. Time will tell but I like what I've heard so far.

If anything Vegas proves you can assemble a mish mash of established NHLers, trade 90% of your young cost controlled players and win. I view Vegas as the definition of a mercenary team with many short term fixes on the roster. They just traded for and signed high end established players not the Brouwers of the world. They have no loyalties to anyone and have traded futures for Stone, Pacioretty and Eichel among others. They signed Pietrangelo for 7 yrs who's no spring chicken. I think the lesson learned is if your going to be a merc team only go big game hunting. Also put the team above any personal feelings you have. Vegas will cut bait with anyone at any time if it suits them and their cap situation and it seems to work.

[CliffFletcher]

FLA would be more interested in Hanifin than Lindholm. That D corps is thin.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I view Vegas as the definition of a mercenary team with many short term fixes on the roster.

The original band of misfits core of Karlsson, Marchessault, R Smith, Theodore, and McNabb are still pretty important players, and a big part of their culture. And while Stone was brought in on a big contract, he’s a highly respected leader, and not somebody I would characterize as a mercenary. Despite the ruthless asset management, Vegas still seem to have a strong culture.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Psytic

If anything Vegas proves you can assemble a mish mash of established NHLers, trade 90% of your young cost controlled players and win. I view Vegas as the definition of a mercenary team with many short term fixes on the roster. They just traded for and signed high end established players not the Brouwers of the world. They have no loyalties to anyone and have traded futures for Stone, Pacioretty and Eichel among others. They signed Pietrangelo for 7 yrs who's no spring chicken. I think the lesson learned is if your going to be a merc team only go big game hunting. Also put the team above any personal feelings you have. Vegas will cut bait with anyone at any time if it suits them and their cap situation and it seems to work.

The stars they traded for / signed were not 30 + year olds exiting their prime as well, they were prime players who would allow them to compete for years to come

And they kept their “core” the whole time

The key is identify your core, lock them up , and improve with stars

That’s why any trade of Lindholm and Hanifin for a “package” while trying to remain competitive is asinine

Almost always the team getting the package gets worst

It’s better to accept the fact we aren’t a cup contender, get young players and picks and start freeing up cap space that can be weaponized

[Hoop27]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Lindholm had the second most assists in a season in his career last year playing with Toffoli and Dube who had career years. Get true legit top line wingers playing with him he is a number 1 C just not a franchise C like the McDavid/MacKinnon/Eichel/Matthews variety.

Is Lindholm truly a #1 center is the honest question. Or is he just a really good #2? Really all this reminds me of the Iginla years of him never having a true #1. (Which don't exactly grow on trees obviously.)

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

FLA would be more interested in Hanifin than Lindholm. That D corps is thin.

But it's hard to figure out what they could offer up that would be of interest to the Flames.
If you could pull off a Hanifin for Lundell deal that would be great but not sure they will move him as he's the heir apparent to Barkov.

They would gladly move guys like Denisenko but he's looking increasingly like he's a bust who will be back in the KHL similar to Kravtsov

I just can't see the right pieces.