Hockey Canada, CHL settle lawsuit over alleged sexual assault involving WJ players

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

https://twitter.com/user/status/1548102144342904832

Imagine Westhead reporting for clicks...

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Imagine Westhead reporting for clicks...

What clicks would that have been for?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Imagine Westhead reporting for clicks...

What a dumb comment
He’s done excellent reporting on this

[Aarongavey]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...ttlement-over/

The 8 guys say it was consensual. Also say some of the guys participated in consensual sex and some of the guys were just hanging out. My wife told me that she has never heard of any of her friends participating in a consensual 9 person sexual act, but maybe all her girlfriends and all the gossip she and they have heard over 30+ years are just women that do not willingly participate in such activities. Or maybe these guys are full of ####.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...ttlement-over/

The 8 guys say it was consensual. Also say some of the guys participated in consensual sex and some of the guys were just hanging out. My wife told me that she has never heard of any of her friends participating in a consensual 9 person sexual act, but maybe all her girlfriends and all the gossip she and they have heard over 30+ years are just women that do not willingly participate in such activities. Or maybe these guys are full of ####.

Haha uhhhhh yeah I don’t think so guys. That’s not going to work… hopefully people believe the survivor here 110%.

[GioforPM]

According to the lawyers, their clients were never asked to be in the private investigation. Either they or HC is lying.

Kinda distressing the cops just treated it as he said (x8) she said (x1) and peace outted.

[Goriders]

If it was consensual I doubt she’s going to the police after the fact.

Guess that’s what the second investigation will flush out.

[Da_Chief]

If it was consensual, why not come out and name yourselves? Why are you still hiding?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

If it was consensual, why not come out and name yourselves? Why are you still hiding?

Probably because the public presumes them as monsters right now.

[Bingo]

Guessing this will come down to two layers of guilt.

The guys driving the act, and the guys not necessarily in the act, but part of frenzy and not doing anything to stop it.

Both guilty (if they're guilty).

Peer pressure isn't a good enough excuse to let that happen, but maybe it's a differential in seriousness to some degree? Honestly asking and wondering that and not making a statement.

I know I had an incident (wasn't involved but broke it up) and have been glad for years (like 20) that I did something and didn't just let other idiots do something awful.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Guessing this will come down to two layers of guilt.

The guys driving the act, and the guys not necessarily in the act, but part of frenzy and not doing anything to stop it.

Both guilty (if they're guilty).

Peer pressure isn't a good enough excuse to let that happen, but maybe it's a differential in seriousness to some degree? Honestly asking and wondering that and not making a statement.

I know I had an incident (wasn't involved but broke it up) and have been glad for years (like 20) that I did something and didn't just let other idiots do something awful.

Not doing anything to stop it and also covering it up by seemingly lying or at least not talking to the cops.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

According to the lawyers, their clients were never asked to be in the private investigation. Either they or HC is lying.

Kinda distressing the cops just treated it as he said (x8) she said (x1) and peace outted.

Well that point is confusing in the article because The law firm that did the investigation also said the players refused to participate. Not sure how you can refuse to participate if you did not know about it.

Henein-Hutchison said 10 players voluntarily complied with their investigation in 2018, two declined to participate and seven declined pending the completion of the police investigation.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well that point is confusing in the article because The law firm that did the investigation also said the players refused to participate. Not sure how you can refuse to participate if you did not know about it.

Except Hockey Canada said they did interview somewhere between 6 and 12 players (depending on which official was talking). I suppose maybe those were all not involved at all but at the very least the players would have been asked.

The story is confusing all right.

EDIT: I see you added that quote. Which adds to the confusion. But my point remains - either the players or HC is lying about the investigation

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...ttlement-over/

The 8 guys say it was consensual. Also say some of the guys participated in consensual sex and some of the guys were just hanging out. My wife told me that she has never heard of any of her friends participating in a consensual 9 person sexual act, but maybe all her girlfriends and all the gossip she and they have heard over 30+ years are just women that do not willingly participate in such activities. Or maybe these guys are full of ####.

I’m not sure whether or not your wife and friends have done it means the guys are full of ****

The victim clearly (from what I understand) was intoxicated . This alone makes the acts , to some level , predatory

It also partially makes the case difficult when prosecuting . It sounds like at some point it went from consensual with at least 1 person to a completely escalated situation

Hopefully someone who was somewhat sober can come forward and provide justice for the victim and (potentially) anyone wrongfully accused

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I’m not sure whether or not your wife and friends have done it means the guys are full of ****

The victim clearly (from what I understand) was intoxicated . This alone makes the acts , to some level , predatory

It also partially makes the case difficult when prosecuting . It sounds like at some point it went from consensual with at least 1 person to a completely escalated situation

Hopefully someone who was somewhat sober can come forward and provide justice for the victim and (potentially) anyone wrongfully accused

That’s what I think probably happened as well.

[mile]

Summary of player responses:

https://globalnews.ca/news/8935781/h...yer-responses/

Dube’s agent:

Cowan said in a statement: “All of Global News’ questions will be asked and answered during the pending NHL investigation. Dillon did not engage in any wrongdoing, and he cooperated fully with the independent London Police Service investigation in 2018, through which all players were then cleared of any wrongdoing.”

The statement continued: “Naming Dillon or attempting to associate him in any way with alleged criminal wrongdoing, or alleging that he was not cooperative with the London Police or was unwilling to cooperate with Hockey Canada, will constitute materially false statements constituting defamation causing serious financial and reputational harm.”

A Redditor’s summary of responses from the article for other players:

Drake Batherson: No response.
Alex Formenton: No response.
Maxime Comtois: No response.
Brett Howden: No response.
Michael McLeod: No response.
Sam Steel: No response.
Tyler Steenbergen: No response.
Robert Thomas: No response.
Conor Timmins: No response.

Jake Bean: Denies involvement.
Kale Clague: Denies involvement.
Cal Foote: Denies involvement.
Carter Hart: Denies involvement.
Jordan Kyrou: Denies involvement.
Colton Point: Denies involvement.
Taylor Raddysh: Denies involvement.

Dante Fabbro: “was asleep in his own room in a different part of the hotel that evening and was not involved in with the alleged incident that was investigated by Henein Hutchison” and that Fabbro “fully cooperated” with that probe.

Jonah Gadjovich: “The events described in the story are serious and reprehensible. Jonah was not involved in the incident and does not have any comment on legal proceedings and the settlement involving other parties.”

Boris Katchouk: “Boris has fully cooperated with the Hockey Canada investigation and will continue to provide that cooperation in any further investigation. Beyond this statement we are not commenting further.”

Cale Makar: “Both Cale and I have verified a number of times – and verify again, here – that he was not involved in any way in the alleged conduct from 2018. Cale fully participated in the external investigation. He met with the attorneys in person for an interview and answered all their questions.”

Victor Mete: Statement saying he was out of the country at the time.

[powderjunkie]

Dubé statement is interesting in how they zeroed in the on the word 'wrongdoing'.

In very carefully worded statements like this I think it is fair to try to read the tea-leaves...compared to Makar's statement which expressly denies being "involved in any way". It certainly seems to leave a little wiggle-room that Dubé was 'involved', but not the 'wrongdoer'.

Of course this is pure speculation and it might just be a poorly written statment. But the threat of defamation also feels a bit like doth protest too much...

[PepsiFree]

It doesn’t exactly inspire confidence that Dube’s agent says he wasn’t involved in any wrongdoing as all players were cleared of any wrongdoing, while guys like Fabbro, Gadjovich, and Makar make clear they weren’t involved in the alleged incident at all.

Though with the number of guys not responding at all and the number of guys who allegedly took part in the incident, it’s still unclear who all was involved.

[Mr.Coffee]

Yeah that leaves a little bit of wiggle room for Dube to basically be like not explicitly involved but possibly in the room as a witness or not in the room at all but having heard about it or knew it was going on or something like that.

But yeah. Not clear who was involved specifically.

[Coach]

You can argue he was “cleared of wrong doing” and “did not engage in wrong doing” if they don’t think the rape was wrong doing (ie was allegedly consensual).

I don’t like it. This is going to get really ugly and I hope anyone that was involved or knowingly hid the truth is punished harshly.