[PGT] Cheats 3 Flames 2 [OT]

[MikkaVernon]

Originally Posted by drewtastic

If you only score once on six PP opportunities, you’re playing with fire…)

I agree it looks bad on paper. But they scored seconds after a penalty expired so I think internally you can count that and it puts them at 33% on the night which is better than the NHL average.

The blatant trip in OT should have the ref feeling foolish knowing that he changed the outcome unfairly.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MikkaVernon

I agree it looks bad on paper. But they scored seconds after a penalty expired so I think internally you can count that and it puts them at 33% on the night which is better than the NHL average.

The blatant trip in OT should have the ref feeling foolish knowing that he changed the outcome unfairly.

And I suspect the more penalties you have, the lower the power play percentage is, just because teams adjust, power plays get stale, etc.

One of the power plays was right at the beginning of a period, which is not ideal.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Sucks that they didn't get the two points, especially since there was an obvious missed call(s), but at least they looked dominant, created a tonne of high-danger chances, and still pulled-out a point.



Saros was good, and the Flames were very unlucky. If not for some bad bounces, Flames would probably have scored (that wide-open net on Gaudreau, for instance). Happens sometimes. Important thing is to see the team play this well through it, and see how they come out again next game (spoiler alert: probably pretty damn good again).

[PeteMoss]

Saros was good. He's the dream template for what you have to hope Dustin Wolf turns into.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Tkachuk and Kylington take questions

https://twitter.com/user/status/1455751716100444168

After the Philly game, Markstrom was really focussed on that piece of paper much the same way Tkachuk is focussed on it during this interview.

Anyone know what that is?

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by zamler

Two blatant non calls in 10 seconds. Unbelievable.

First time watching NHL hockey?

Disappointing and wholly undeserved end to a fantastic performance by the Flames.

I love watching this style of hockey and hate watching this style of officiating.

[bomber317]

Here's the view from the other side of the rink for that trip

https://www.reddit.com/r/CalgaryFlam...s/qlm8da/uhhh/

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by bomber317

Here's the view from the other side of the rink for that trip

https://www.reddit.com/r/CalgaryFlam...s/qlm8da/uhhh/

People are saying the Flames shouldn't rip into the ref's but I completely disagree. Two refs chose not to make a call because it was overtime and it handed the win to the team that had been pumped all night long.

This is the not Flames complaining they should get special treatment like the Oilers, this is a team who wants the most basic of calls to be made correctly.

Clearly whatever internal system of review the league utilizes (if there is one) is not sufficient to ensure fair calling of the games.

We get slow motion breakdowns of suspensions to players complete with a voiceover describing what is happening. Why not the same thing for the refs when there is an egregious missed call.

We all know the refs manage games, and even had a ref on mic admitting to it last year. It's time to correct the officiating.

[8sPOT]

Originally Posted by bomber317

Here's the view from the other side of the rink for that trip

https://www.reddit.com/r/CalgaryFlam...s/qlm8da/uhhh/

Oof thats even worse from this view, a clear cut can opener move. Kinda impressed the Flames aren't bitching and moaning about this silly missed call. They're already onto the next one. Thats a good sign of a confident, focused team.

But boy thats some brutal officiating.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

People are saying the Flames shouldn't rip into the ref's but I completely disagree. Two refs chose not to make a call because it was overtime and it handed the win to the team that had been pumped all night long.

This is the not Flames complaining they should get special treatment like the Oilers, this is a team who wants the most basic of calls to be made correctly.

Clearly whatever internal system of review the league utilizes (if there is one) is not sufficient to ensure fair calling of the games.

We get slow motion breakdowns of suspensions to players complete with a voiceover describing what is happening. Why not the same thing for the refs when there is an egregious missed call.

We all know the refs manage games, and even had a ref on mic admitting to it last year. It's time to correct the officiating.

Au Contraire, it's working exactly how they want it.

[Monahammer]

I maintain that all on ice refs should lose their jobs. Stupid, antiquated way of calling the game now that we have the technology to actually do it correctly. Plus they get in the way of the play a frustrating amount. It happened 3 times last night where a puck hit a linesman and the play died. Happens frequently every game. They're unnecessary and they get high and mighty and think they're a part of the game.

on ice refs are stupid and should be excised from the game.

[Jiri Hrdina]

How would one use technology instead?
I'm all for using technology to call balls/strikes in baseball (as an example) but I don't see how one could realistically do it to call infractions in hockey.
Off-sides and icings could be automated though.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

Kinda impressed the Flames aren't bitching and moaning about this silly missed call.

If they do:

1. The league wont do anything to the officials involved and will just fine whoever calls them out because they're a bunch of cowards.

2. Refs are so sensitive that the next time they officiate a Flames game they'll look for any reason to get back at them.

They might as well just move on and use it as motivation.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

How would one use technology instead?
I'm all for using technology to call balls/strikes in baseball (as an example) but I don't see how one could realistically do it to call infractions in hockey.
Off-sides and icings could be automated though.

Train a computer on what infractions are. This would work quite well.

Only thing is, you'd have a penalty about every 30 seconds as a result.

They're probably already tried it and found it unusable as a result.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yes exactly. Now maybe players adjust over time but it would be very painful for a period of time until they do.

[Racki]

One thing that became pretty obvious to me last night. Oliver Kylington should get some time on the power play. His offensive traits have always been there, and now he's playing with some confidence. I'd also like to see him get a look in 3 on 3 overtime. We don't have another guy on the roster that can skate like him.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yes exactly. Now maybe players adjust over time but it would be very painful for a period of time until they do.

It'd be nigh impossible.

Also diving would happen all over the place, and there's no real way of filtering those out.

[Monahammer]

I've posted it before, but I think it involves a panel of 3 refs, 1 head ref and 1 ref rep from each team, calling the game using cameras from the box.

Automate offsides and icing calling using AI.

If possible, drop the puck using a drone. If not, use a "goon" linesmen who just drops the puck and immediately hauls ass to the penalty area to get off the ice. Then he is also released on to the ice to break up scrums as needed.

This removes them from the flow of the game and allows them to make more precise and less emotional/ game flow driven calls, while allowing the "human element" (something I disagree with still, but ok) to be present in the calling of the game.

[Strange Brew]

Well I'm sure it's a matter of time through sensors in equipment that you could measure every type of contact, how much force, where on that body it is applied and with what body part or equipment the contact originated.

Of course shortly afterwards, the players will be replaced by 3D representations of the greats of the sport playing against each other. Iginla battles Gordie Howe for possession in the corner.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I've posted it before, but I think it involves a panel of 3 refs, 1 head ref and 1 ref rep from each team, calling the game using cameras from the box.

Automate offsides and icing calling using AI.

If possible, drop the puck using a drone. If not, use a "goon" linesmen who just drops the puck and immediately hauls ass to the penalty area to get off the ice. Then he is also released on to the ice to break up scrums as needed.

This removes them from the flow of the game and allows them to make more precise and less emotional/ game flow driven calls, while allowing the "human element" (something I disagree with still, but ok) to be present in the calling of the game.

I’ve long maintained that this is a bigger problem than “game management”. Refs get caught up in the game. Teams are pressuring or trying to come back - they just feel like a penalty must be coming and find one. And in OT - they get looking at the puck and not stuff like the play last night.