[GDT] The 2020 Trade Deadline!!! No trades past 1:00 PM Mountain!

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I might be way off base here but I think the present mess in which we find ourselves can be traced back to the Valimaki injury.

Definitely. D injuries in general. Hamonic or Brodie would be long gone by now if that was the case

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

meh, if they have any ambition to even just make it to the playoffs, they could have coughed up a 4th for namestnikov.

I just don't understand the stand pat approach. If you aren't willing to tinker to provide any kind of jolt, then why not maximize on a guy like Brodie if you don't think this is the year anyways.

Again, in classic Calgary flame fashion, "do anything for the guaranteed x2 home playoff game $$$ baby".

That's the thing here, and why I don't really get on Treliving for "not selling".

Likely not an option for Treliving to sell any of our UFAs due to the circumstances, especially considering our injuries. He still needs to try to get into the playoffs since that's the edict from his bosses.

But at least he's not mortgaging even more of the future to try to make that happen and just sneak in to lose a around.

I actually think Treliving has had the right strategy the last two seasons now. Don't mortgage the future, try to make hockey trades that make sense (I know people don't like the talk of it but both the Kadri and Zucker trades would have been good deals for us IMO), and keep the window open as long as possible.

Ideally we'd have the ability to move one of Brodie or Hamonic right now but honestly I don't think it's an option without bringing another d-man in at this point. We are already playing Stone, Kylington, & Yelesin due to injuries to three of our start of the year top 7 d-men at this point.

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I might be way off base here but I think the present mess in which we find ourselves can be traced back to the Valimaki injury.

EDIT: Acquiring Stone last year would have been a franchise changer IMHO.

Longer term a lot of the issues tie back to the Neal signing.

- Signed Neal to fill RW hole in top 6 but it didn't work
- Meant Flames didn't have cap space to go hard after Stone at the deadline with Tkachuk a pending RFA (although I'm not sure I'd want him for 7 more years at $10M anyways)
- Flames then moved Neal for Lucic which created an even bigger gap at RW
- Flames didn't have cap space for extra defensive depth due to Neal/Lucic contract, and Valimaki got hurt

Due to all of that we have huge holes at defense and RW right now.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Flames should trade for Thorton.

Is that Thor's hockey playing cousin?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That's the thing here, and why I don't really get on Treliving for "not selling".

Likely not an option for Treliving to sell any of our UFAs due to the circumstances, especially considering our injuries. He still needs to try to get into the playoffs since that's the edict from his bosses.

But at least he's not mortgaging even more of the future to try to make that happen and just sneak in to lose a around.

I actually think Treliving has had the right strategy the last two seasons now. Don't mortgage the future, try to make hockey trades that make sense (I know people don't like the talk of it but both the Kadri and Zucker trades would have been good deals for us IMO), and keep the window open as long as possible.

Ideally we'd have the ability to move one of Brodie or Hamonic right now but honestly I don't think it's an option without bringing another d-man in at this point. We are already playing Stone, Kylington, & Yelesin due to injuries to three of our start of the year top 7 d-men at this point.

Get outta here with your sense and logic. We're supposed to clamoring like morons here

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Is that Thor's hockey playing cousin?

Yes, Thor cofirmed that he is. He is a really good Defecesme.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

One more time: Vegas had a pretty much guaranteed extension from Stone. Calgary didn't. So Calgary could pay a rental price only. Or I guess they could have bettered Vegas and then seen Stone go to Vegas in the offseason. Great.

I'm not saying the flames would have won the cup, and I'm not necessarily suggesting that the rental acquired had to be re-signed to still have helped this franchise.

I'm saying last deadline is one where MOST good GMs would have injected additions at the deadline, EVEN if it is a pure rental. Things are wide open this year, look at every playoff team having improved their roster via trade already!

The flames winning a round or 2, and the entire direction of the franchise changes. We basically went into this year ready to throw Monahan and Gaudreau out of town, questioning if they are good for anything.

Now Treliving not doing anything at last years' deadline, then doubling down and doing NOTHING in the offseason (yes yes, he tried, he tried hard, woulda-coulda-shoulda), finds himself in the weird predicament of not doing ANYTHING for a whole calendar year!

If that I isn't the definition and signal of spinning ones wheels and remaining right smack in the thick of mediocrity.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I'm not saying the flames would have won the cup, and I'm not necessarily suggesting that the rental acquired had to be re-signed to still have helped this franchise.

I'm saying last deadline is one where MOST good GMs would have injected additions at the deadline, EVEN if it is a pure rental. Things are wide open this year, look at every playoff team having improved their roster via trade already!

The flames winning a round or 2, and the entire direction of the franchise changes. We basically went into this year ready to throw Monahan and Gaudreau out of town, questioning if they are good for anything.

Now Treliving not doing anything at last years' deadline, then doubling down and doing NOTHING in the offseason (yes yes, he tried, he tried hard, woulda-coulda-shoulda), finds himself in the weird predicament of not doing ANYTHING for a whole calendar year!

If that I isn't the definition and signal of spinning ones wheels and remaining right smack in the thick of mediocrity.

We were talking about Stone in particular. So should Treliving have bettered the Vegas offer for a rental of Stone (because I think there's no way he could be re-signed within reason)?

[TheScorpion]

Scottie Upshall just called Connor McDavid an "absolute hockey creature."

[Unknown]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Definitely. D injuries in general. Hamonic or Brodie would be long gone by now if that was the case

Yeah, but at least Gio's coming back now, so there's no need to acquire a D-man. Maybe trade Hamonic, if it's somehow possible.

Still waiting for that top6 rs forward. As I said, if possible, Hamonic goes other way.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

We were talking about Stone in particular. So should Treliving have bettered the Vegas offer for a rental of Stone (because I think there's no way he could be re-signed within reason)?

Fair enough.

My point is that last year was the year to pay the price of a rental. Flames have won their division and the conference, what twice in 2+ decades???

Let's get impatient and blow multiple 1st + 2nd's for Hamonic, but let's get very very very patient when they are leading the conference in the thick of their 'window'.

Our management just leave me scratching my head. Though, I'll hear about 'the process', 'not wanting to part with assets for a rental, but willing to make a move that gets us someone with term'. It doesn't even sound 'smart' anymore, literally every GM has the same GM speak.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Scottie Upshall just called Connor McDavid an "absolute hockey creature."

Neato!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Grabbing Stone for picks and prospects (Vali + 1st) would've satisfied a lot of needs up front that we've been agonizing over ever since. He's been a high impact player for Vegas.

It's hard to argue with this now.

However, there is also a lot hindsight speculation going on. The Flames didn't know if Stone would re-sign or if they could even hope to afford him. 1st + our best prospect for a rental was a huge ask.

Looking back on it, the correct move probably was to acquire Stone, re-sign him, and then move out players like Backlund and Hamonic for peanuts to acquire cap space.

[keenan87]

This is a GM who is collecting pay cheques until someone fires him. Seems to still be sulking after trades didn't go his way.

Doesn't really have a plan or clue how to move forward.

Hoping he proves me wrong but I doubt it.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Unknown

Yeah, but at least Gio's coming back now, so there's no need to acquire a D-man. Maybe trade Hamonic, if it's somehow possible.

Still waiting for that top6 rs forward. As I said, if possible, Hamonic goes other way.

We can dream but who's going to trade for an injured rental? Him getting hurt really screwed us

[Sainters7]

Love Commodore, but he's a brutal "Insiderrrrr"... just hucking a bunch of stuff at the wall, hoping a couple stick. Obviously take any of his "trades" with a huge grain of salt

[TheIronMaiden]

I would be curious to know how often a team that makes the semi-finals adds a rental at the deadline.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Fair enough.

My point is that last year was the year to pay the price of a rental. Flames have won their division and the conference, what twice in 2+ decades???

Let's get impatient and blow multiple 1st + 2nd's for Hamonic, but let's get very very very patient when they are leading the conference in the thick of their 'window'.

Our management just leave me scratching my head. Though, I'll hear about 'the process', 'not wanting to part with assets for a rental, but willing to make a move that gets us someone with term'. It doesn't even sound 'smart' anymore, literally every GM has the same GM speak.

I get the reasoning for not trading for Stone as it was highly probable resigning him was not going to happen as he wanted Vegas. However with respect to BT, I've never felt he was a wizard but more so an average GM in the league.

Overall has made some good but at the same time questionable moves for the club.

[CaptainYooh]

Each and every trade deadline under Treliving was incredibly boring and disappointing... This one is gonna be the same, it looks like...

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by keenan87

This is a GM who is collecting pay cheques until someone fires him. Seems to still be sulking after trades didn't go his way.

Doesn't really have a plan or clue how to move forward.

Hoping he proves me wrong but I doubt it.

Wanna join me in running the flames? Torture gave me the idea


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[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by keenan87

This is a GM who is collecting pay cheques until someone fires him. Seems to be sulking after trades didn't go his way.

Doesn't really have a plan or clue how to move forward.

Hoping he proves me wrong but I doubt it.

Harsh take, but as a fan I get it. Tree has effectively been inactive for nearly 2 calendar years - and even worse was that his original plan seemed to be to speed up the rebuild to compete quicker. Instead, he built the team right back into the middle/where we were during the dog days of the Iggy era.

Frustration is mounting for me for sure. He can't close out this deadline without improving the team for today, or for the future in my eyes. If he doesn't do anything, the cold streak begins to look like incompetence to me.

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Love Commodore, but he's a brutal "Insiderrrrr"... just hucking a bunch of stuff at the wall, hoping a couple stick. Obviously take any of his "trades" with a huge grain of salt

I think he genuinely hears things from sources about conversations being had. He goes with that, instead of just going with "confirmed" stuff that he hears right before the trade actually breaks. He posts actual rumours, rather than just breaking news a few minutes early.