Your Opinion- Ticket Sales on CP

[DeluxeMoustache]

What the heck.

Free for all for Leafs games.

Minimum face. Or some multiplier >1

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

As someone who sells tickets on here for games I can’t attend, this whole “hockey community” argument is a not doing it for me. I’ve never sold my tickets on here for even face value and most times I actually sell them for less than I actually paid for them and even after all that I always gets 4-5 people asking me if I will take less. They have no problem taking advantage of me for a Tuesday game against Columbus but the minute the Leafs come to town or we make the playoffs the same people have a problem with me recouping some of my losses over the year?

Let the market dictate price.

Yeah, people seem to be focusing on the buyers being victimized by the greedy sellers, but then have no problem buying a ticket at a fraction of the cost. Where's the "community" there? That's why I rarely sell on CP. The door only swings one way.

[Ace]

After reading the thread, I think CP should allow over face value, but cap it at no more than 25% (for now). This roughly helps both parties in most circumstances, the price will be at or below Ticketmaster resale once you look at the fees, and the seller gets the fees instead of ticketmaster.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

As someone who sells tickets on here for games I can’t attend, this whole “hockey community” argument is a not doing it for me. I’ve never sold my tickets on here for even face value and most times I actually sell them for less than I actually paid for them and even after all that I always gets 4-5 people asking me if I will take less. They have no problem taking advantage of me for a Tuesday game against Columbus but the minute the Leafs come to town or we make the playoffs the same people have a problem with me recouping some of my losses over the year?

Let the market dictate price.

Maybe the solution is to allow selling over face value but it requires the user to donate $100 per season to CP to do it. At least CP will get something out of it.

[ken0042]

Let's keep in mind that part of the reason this came up was an effort to make things easier. Both for users as far as simple posting rules, and for us mods to make sure rules are being followed. So the one thing that has come up with some sort of donation to CP- that simply will not work. It adds a new level of administration that we do not want or need.

Going back to allowing a certain percentage over face value- once again we have the challenge of simplicity. Many sellers don't know the face value, or don't post in in their thread, or we end up with the Flames "moving the goalposts" in terms of FV like we saw with the Iginla game. All of those factors mean more work for us to see if that FV line is being followed.

[Cole436]

I think we could potentially bring in the wrong crowd and lose some trust between members if we're allowing tickets to be sold here without regulating the cost. I agree that we should have a % over face value. Maybe 15%?

[Greybeard]

I'm a STH with 4 tickets and cannot make all the games. Not corporate. I often sell on CP and through Ticketmaster STH Exchange. Most games I have to sell well under face and often under my STH cost in order to sell... the market is just not strong enough for most teams (Florida, Carolina, Buffalo, Islanders, Colorado, Arizona, etc). So if I'm not going to a BIG SELLING game with the original six, Oilers, Canucks, etc I usually am selling on Ticketexchange because I try to recoup some of my losses by selling over face and/or STH value. I think this is fair and have no issues with it. In the end by the end of the year my selling return as a total is less than my STH cost. I lose money.

But, CP users are not getting a chance to buy premium tickets from me because I am forced to sell on Ticketexchange due to the restrictions on selling over face value. If my STH cost for a Leafs game is $130, face is 170, I would rather sell to a CP'er at $200 than on ticket exchnage for $230 which still nets me only 200 after ticketmaster fees.

I would open it up to Market... possibly with a restriction on % over face. BTW, my family and I go to most games... I am not selling tickes to make money... we just cannot make all 41 games due to weddings, vacations, etc.

[Nehkara]

I like that CalgaryPuck is a place where you can still get tickets for face value or less. These places are very rare these days.

Keep it as-is. There are other platforms for higher than face value ticket sales.

[burn_baby_burn]

I’ve sold hundreds of tickets here on CP over the years. Never once did I have a negative experience, which shows what an outstanding community CP is. Since the NHL Ticket Exchange was launched a few years ago, I haven’t listed a game in 3 or 4 years. Why? The process is just much more convenient for me. I can list my tickets from the Flames app. Make multiple listing at once. Other than that, everything else is automated and I don’t have to lift a finger. Plus, if the market allows, I can sell for more than face value. Although, the majority of my listings are less than STH cost.

I’m assuming CP is asking the question about being able to list over face value because it would take much less moderation. If selling above face is not ilegal, why waiste time going through the listings and threads to ensure all the listings are following the rules?

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Nehkara

I like that CalgaryPuck is a place where you can still get tickets for face value or less. These places are very rare these days.

Keep it as-is. There are other platforms for higher than face value ticket sales.

But not a single place that restricts lowballers from offering cents on the dollar for tickets.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

But not a single place that restricts lowballers from offering cents on the dollar for tickets.

No one advertises the lowball price they want to pay for tickets. People do advertise the asking price they want for tickets.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No one advertises the lowball price they want to pay for tickets. People do advertise the asking price they want for tickets.

False. See below for one example that took me 2 seconds to find.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?p=6382327

[stang]

So they can sell at a loss for less desirable games but can’t make a profit on premium games?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

False. See below for one example that took me 2 seconds to find.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?p=6382327

Your example is a 2 year old post looking for preseason tickets against the Coyotes which got a reply in 6 minutes with an offer?

That’s not a lowball.

[flamesrule_kipper34]

As an STH I've taken quite a few losses for many games this season (something I knew going into the last couple of seasons especially given the market and Flames set prices).

As much as I value the CP experience and knowing that the tickets seem to go to legitimate die-hard fans mostly (and also always having smooth transactions), I'll likely go where the market allows me to get the best price as a seller come playoff time. As an aside, I've also come across a situation where someone has purchased my tickets off of CP and then re-sold at a profit which has certainly irked me.

I had no issue getting the highest I could get (whether it was CP/TicketExchange/other venues) even if it meant it was at a loss and that'll be no different for playoffs. So if I have the ability to get a higher price point elsewhere (likely TicketExchange) then that's where I'll be inclined to post first and CP second.

No issue with others having their opinions about it and wanting to keep CP at face value most, but to be fair I do find it a bit odd that it's okay for STHers to lose money for many games (even in an amazing season as this) and yet it's surprising we want to be able to recoup some of that lost money come playoff time.

I think someone else said it above as well, I'd MUCH rather be able to sell my tickets on CP and get the best of the community and also avoid any sort of surcharges needed to mark up prices and have everyone win.

This is also why I'd be against a "floor price" being required like it is for TicketExchange...sometimes the demand isn't there for a game and I'd rather be able to get something than nothing. That's why I'd prefer CP to be a market-driven platform for prices (at the very least keep things as is for the regular season and allow any price or a % above for face value).

My two cents.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Your example is a 2 year old post looking for preseason tickets against the Coyotes which got a reply in 6 minutes with an offer?

That’s not a lowball.

In fairness, they only spent 2 seconds looking into it. Probably missed that.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No one advertises the lowball price they want to pay for tickets. People do advertise the asking price they want for tickets.

I don't imagine sellers would flock to posts that say "ISO tickets for 25% of FV only! Please reply for minimum ROI". As a seller on other venues, the first thing people often ask is for a discount. Some buyers will also publicly refrain from buying or looking for tickets until the last day, when sellers either sell or lose 100%, thereby adding to the downward price pressure. So no, nobody advertises lowball pricing, but in PMs, they definitely do. And in the end, it's not the advertising that's the issue, it's the sale price. So again, I ask why there's price protection on one end, but not the other?

[taxbuster]

I've sold tix here when I was a STH and lived in Calgary (and after I moved for a couple of years until I had to give them up). I've bought tix here from time time after that when I get to Calgary. I was happy to sell them for whatever price - and was generally happy that they'd go to a CPer even though I don't know any of you (!). What I do know is that you're all (OK most....) fans of our Flames. I sold a few over the years to people who wouldn't have been able to afford them otherwise and was glad to do so. I voted "no" - to me this is strictly a public service and I checked the posters before selling to see if they were "really" active - or even lurking - CPers.

Legal / illegal: doesn't matter to me. That is not the point here. We have a community and that community shares in the wins, communes in the losses, and can bear selling a few tickets at whatever prices. I still voted "no", but would be OK with a cap, too. All it really means is that STHs will sell them elsewhere, and that's fine, though a shame.

However, maybe the other control is that the seller has to have posted often enough to have 3 Exp squares (I have no idea what these are called or how many posts they require though) and can then sell above face. WTBs should face the same restriction: this likely eliminates pro scalpers.

Beats me - tough question, but I don't want to see more work for the mods or petty squabbles over the fact that Poster X sold a ticket for $1 over the max or was gouging on prices. We have enough issues here!!

And....GO FLAMES GO!!

(Given that I'll likely make it to Calgary twice during any playoff run if it's long enough, I'm resigned to paying through the nose for tickets if I want to see a game live - whether I do that on CP, TM, SH or from a scalper in front of the Dome....)

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

What happens if it’s a Flames vs leafs finals and my choices are: sell on cp at face or sell off cp for $6,000 to a leafs fan. Is there a price that is above face but below $6k that might be “good enough” for me to sell on calgarypuck?

What if there is a level between face and market price that makes a cp buyer and cp seller happy? That transaction is currently not allowed. It hurts buyers more than sellers.

What I am getting at is that I can always get a better price on kijiji - I sell on cp for less because I want to. Increasing the Max price allowed on cp doesn’t mean I’m going to bump up my price on cp. First, if I ask for market, it probably won’t sell because everything at cp sells at a discount. Second, I could already get a market price today, but I’m leaving money on the table on purpose. I’m not going to price at ceiling just because I can.

Very likely, increasing max price results in more supply for buyers, and reduces prices.

Source- I’m an economist

There is nothing wrong with selling the tix wherever, and stating "preference given to CPers - provide your username and I'll PM you there". If you get a response, you know you got the right person. Both buyer and seller win, and CP doesn't need to regulate it.

[axgq]

Im a STH and try to go to most games. I use CP to sell tickets to the games that I can't make and am more then happy to sell at FV or even sometimes less so others can make the game. I decided to vote Yes, mainly for the reason that if someone is gonna be paying above FV for tickets, it atleast gives them a bit more security knowing if the seller is an active member on here and not just trying to make money scalping tickets.