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[joejoe3]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I still after years have no Idea what any anylitic #### means lol. I'm a fairly young guy to. 28. I have watched 1025 games in a row. That is 12 seasons and 41 playoff games ( not including preseason or young stars) I have probably seen more but thats the farthest back I can remember ( concussions and " fun" times play a role.
Yes I have never missed a game for any reason.

The only ####ing stat that matters to me or should for any one for that matter is the score at the end. That anylitic stuff is great for the team's management but for a fan it means dick all. All I wanna see is a W.

this analytic stuff landed a young guy like yourself a GM job in Arizona... just the job, not any success tho

[cofias]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I still after years have no Idea what any anylitic #### means lol. I'm a fairly young guy to. 28. I have watched 1025 games in a row. That is 12 seasons and 41 playoff games ( not including preseason or young stars) I have probably seen more but thats the farthest back I can remember ( concussions and " fun" times play a role.
Yes I have never missed a game for any reason.

The only ####ing stat that matters to me or should for any one for that matter is the score at the end. That anylitic stuff is great for the team's management but for a fan it means dick all. All I wanna see is a W.

Speak for yourself. There are many fans who are interested in trying to find out how teams perform at a deeper level, because in the age of parity many individual games are decided by luck. Only over many games will you see results in terms of wins and losses that accurately reflect the real quality of a team, so it's a lot easier to gauge which teams are actually good or bad by looking at stats that show which team carries the play and which teams are, for the time being, just lucky (or hot if you prefer to call it that).

Edit: When I say "deeper level" it sounds like it's something super advanced, but most of the time these charts, numbers and heat maps are just showing basic concepts like shot attempts for/against and high danger scoring chances. It's not actually "advanced" and there's certainly nothing analytical about most of the common so-called "advanced stats".

[combustiblefuel]

O and Kulak

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by joejoe3

this analytic stuff landed a young guy like yourself a GM job in Arizona... just the job, not any success tho

I'm sure the fans in Arizona are thrilled about going 1 in 11 right now . Lol.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by cofias

Speak for yourself. There are many fans who are interested in trying to find out how teams perform at a deeper level, because in the age of parity many individual games are decided by luck. Only over many games will you see results in terms of wins and losses that accurately reflect the real quality of a team, so it's a lot easier to gauge which teams are actually good or bad by looking at stats that show which team carries the play and which teams are, for the time being, just lucky (or hot if you prefer to call it that).

Edit: When I say "deeper level" it sounds like it's something super advanced, but most of the time these charts, numbers and heat maps are just showing basic concepts like shot attempts for/against and high danger scoring chances. It's not actually "advanced" and there's certainly nothing analytical about most of the common so-called "advanced stats".

When I said I don't get it , I might have been using hyperbole. I get it but I don't see why it is a big deal now.

In the end the Flames could lose 10 in a row but be dominant through out the game per anylitics. In the end all that matters is if you het the w or l.

[united]

Ferland was immense tonight. Great game from him after a dismal start to the season - hopefully a sign of things to come.

In fact, the entire top line was excellent in both zones tonight, as was the Giordano-Hamilton pairning.

Kulak shouldn't sit in the pressbox again this season if it means Bartkowski is getting minutes instead. Aside from skating he is better in ever aspect of the game, and especially in puck movement. Kulak actually looks to make a pass instead of just banging it off the glass or skating himself out of space in the neutral zone.

Brodie implementing a fake drop-pass within a feigned turnback via mohawk pivot on the powerplay neutral zone phase has made a huge difference. It really freezes the first forechecker whereas before they would just jump the telegraphed drop pass. But, I still hate the Flames' powerplay setup with no one-timer options.

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not gonna read too much into beating a team on the second night of a B2B but it's nice to stop the bleeding.

Plus they had their backup goaltender playing.

[FireGilbert]

Yay a win at home against a team playing back to back! From what I saw Smith, Gaudreau, and Ferland had excellent games.

Also, that was horrible positioning by the linesman on the Caps goal. When I was an official we were always taught to stand just outside the offensive zone so if the puck did hit us and go backwards into the zone it would be offside. It looked like he was outside the zone but for some reason moved inside as the puck was being cleared. So weird.

[Caged Great]

It's not really a surprise that the two teams that bought in whole hog on analytics are also currently two of the worst teams in the NHL.

When you're trying to make assumptions based on incomplete data, you're usually going to have a bad time.

[cofias]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

When I said I don't get it , I might have been using hyperbole. I get it but I don't see why it is a big deal now.

In the end the Flames could lose 10 in a row but be dominant through out the game per anylitics. In the end all that matters is if you het the w or l.

It's a big deal because it can help you predict future results to a certain degree. It can help to show which teams are "for real" and which are just lucky (or hot). For example Vegas will most likely fall down to earth sooner rather than later, since they are riding a crazy high shooting percentage and save percentage whilst being outshot most of the time. You would not see that from looking at w's and l's. Meanwhile I'd bet on the Flames stringing a few wins together soon based on their strong possession and bad luck lately (unless Smith's game falls apart). Of course much of this you can also gather from simply watching games, but emotions and bias can get in the way of sound observational judgment, and obviously you can't watch every game for every team in the league. That's why stats matter.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Someone's going to need to explain this one too me

Brouwer.

[Gaskal]

For those who haven't seen it yet, check out Gulutzan's post game interview on the Flames site. He makes a point of giving glowing praise to a Johnny play, then shown in slow motion, in the defensive zone with a minute left.

It would have been hard to distinguish with the broadcast angle, but Johnny doesn't hesitate to go in and shield a loose puck with his body on the boards, even with big Brooks Orpik bearing down. It was a great defensive, team first, hard work play. Old school Johnny.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I still after years have no Idea what any anylitic #### means lol. I'm a fairly young guy to. 28. I have watched 1025 games in a row. That is 12 seasons and 41 playoff games ( not including preseason or young stars) I have probably seen more but thats the farthest back I can remember ( concussions and " fun" times play a role.
Yes I have never missed a game for any reason.

The only ####ing stat that matters to me or should for any one for that matter is the score at the end. That anylitic stuff is great for the team's management but for a fan it means dick all. All I wanna see is a W.

I think like any stat they're interesting to look at, but you have to take them with a grain of salt. Guys who use analytics as their only argument and are dead set on it drive me nuts, but they definitely have some merit.

[locsofblu]

A good hard fought win as the flames were the better team again. The power play with some good puck movement but overall way to predictable and easy to defend. Bennett is looking more and more like a bust as I'm starting to think he may not score all season.
I'm still not crazy with GG coaching as he rarely makes any adjustments through out the game as well as the style of play he has the flames playing is very boring to watch. I feel the score could have been 5-1 but for what ever reason we are not having to much success in the o zone.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Brendone

I was curious about this as well. Seemed like the forwards were setting up some one timers but the defensemen weren’t willing or able too. Are one timers no longer an option with all the blocking of shots, or do we just not have those type of defensemen?

Overall that was a fun game to watch.

There is certainly a trend to move away from slapshots and to depend more on using the whip that modern sticks can provide in wrist shots. There may be some good statistics supporting this trend and the reasons why. Some of the other super nerds here may know more.

[combustiblefuel]

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[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Someone's going to need to explain this one too me

Apperently Caps fans in ATL report use to call him skankoptumus.

Shanking is a popular golf term

GOLF
the action of striking the ball with the heel of the club

In leamans terms meaning your shot could end up anywhere even on an easy shot you should have 10 out of 10 times.

I'm assuming they mean Brouwer has always had a history of ficking up his shots 9 out of 10 times.

[djsFlames]

A number of the top goalies have only played in 3 or 4 games so it's hard to get a proper read on goalie stats.

Of the goalies that have started at least 7 though, Smith would be ranked 6th right now statistically.

Having a great season, even without ample support in front of him on a number of nights so far.

[Manhattanboy]

Paging Zamler.. where is she?!

[ComixZone]

Lots of positives last night. Solid effort from everyone - although the 4th line is nothing but a liability, despite the effort put forward.

Francis spoke during one of the intermissions about breaking up the 3M line...I think it’s time. Right now, the only consistent offence we get is funnelled through #13. We certainly have the ability on the roster to be more dangerous...

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Tkachuk - Jankowski - Jagr
Versteeg - Lazar - Brouwer

That would be cool to see.

[Puppet Guy]