No Looking Like a Cop at the Pride Parade

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by GGG

That's some gotcha journalism. Jason Kenny shouldn't care what KD Lang thinks of LGBT issues. Meeting with community leaders as part of his leadership campaign should be on his schedule. And researching if he is or isn't doing that would be far more pursuasive then the last minute tweet from a D list celeb.

It's like meetin with Dicaprio or Cameron to discuss global warming.

So this is a terrible post.

Let me explain how this is different:
k.d. is openly gay and an Albertan so a discussion about LGBTQ issues in this province would actually be relevant, as opposed to a bunch of celebrities talking about science.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

We are hypocrites by nature. I simply think a lot of people have far to high of expectations of our species. Deep down like all other animals self-preservation is our key instinct and with that comes inherent selfishness.

It is really not that high of a bar to set to expect people to just be tolerant of something that does not in any way affect their daily lives. Hypocrisy is acting like it takes more effort to do so.

Could you explain how self preservation and selfishness relate to this? What are people trying to protect themselves from? And what are they selfish of? Gay people?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

So this is a terrible post.

Let me explain how this is different:
k.d. is openly gay and an Albertan so a discussion about LGBTQ issues in this province would actually be relevant, as opposed to a bunch of celebrities talking about science.

Ok, but really is her position unknown? Like I despise Kenney and totally support LGBTQ issues and I can't see the point of him meeting with her. It's a publicity stunt, plain and simple. Why should our politicians meet with celebrities to get their stance on issues?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Slava

Ok, but really is her position unknown? Like I despise Kenney and totally support LGBTQ issues and I can't see the point of him meeting with her. It's a publicity stunt, plain and simple. Why should our politicians meet with celebrities to get their stance on issues?

Is he meeting with any non-celebrities in LGBTQ community to get there stance?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Is he meeting with any non-celebrities in LGBTQ community to get there stance?

Their stance? (Sorry)

What if he is? There are likely LGBTQ members of the UCP, and presumably he has heard from them or will. Like I say, I can't stand him, but what makes it imperative that he meet with KD Lang?

[Flash Walken]

Important point here is that so far Kenney has seemed even more restrictive in his LGBTQ public opinions than Jean. Even if Jean is just saying the right things, Kenney is actively saying the wrong things.

It's not exactly shocking that people who make public comments that aren't completely inclusive of the the LGBTQ community won't be invited to their event.

If I made election issues about Hindus I wouldn't be eagerly anticipating an invite to Diwali?

Want an invite? Be unequivocal about your support for the community instead of suggesting parents should be notified if their child joins a GSA.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Slava

Their stance? (Sorry)

What if he is? There are likely LGBTQ members of the UCP, and presumably he has heard from them or will. Like I say, I can't stand him, but what makes it imperative that he meet with KD Lang?

Bro, because being seen with a public gay individual is basically the least someone running to be Premier of the entire province should be open to if they are serious about LGBTQ equality.

The subject is so clearly uncomfortable for Kenney that he is obviously not very supportive of the community. Whether it is uncomfortable for him personally or because of a craven political optics concern is irrelevant.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

So this is a terrible post.

Let me explain how this is different:
k.d. is openly gay and an Albertan so a discussion about LGBTQ issues in this province would actually be relevant, as opposed to a bunch of celebrities talking about science.

Fair enough I was using hyperbole to make a point however celebrities should be the last people politicians talk to to set policy. Her life experience is significantly different than the average person do to her access to money.

Also Is she living in Alberta right now? I know she was living in LA and Portland for quite some time. Though she was around Calgary when her and Edwards got together.

Mike Morrison makes more sense to sit down with to talk about Alberta LGBT issues.
Kristopher Wells from that article makes a lot more sense to talk to
The Calgary Pride organizers make a lot more sense to talk to.
You make a lot more sense to talk to.
LGBT people within his own party make more sense to talk to.

It was gotcha journalism. There is no good policy reason to sit down with KD Lang. If he had done it the article would read Kenny out to score cheep points after being rejected Fromm Pride. And Why is Kenny talking to celebrities instead of real people. He couldn't have won this one.

The real issue of that should be being discussed is

Wells said as far as he knows, Kenney has had no engagement at all with the LGBTQ community during his leadership campaign, which has caused further unease for many.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Slava

Their stance? (Sorry)

My bad. No need to apologize.

What if he is? There are likely LGBTQ members of the UCP, and presumably he has heard from them or will. Like I say, I can't stand him, but what makes it imperative that he meet with KD Lang?

If he is great, but he should be letting people know. It wasn't imperative that he meet with her, but how could it have been viewed as anything but a good political move to do so if his party is truly trying to shed their anti-LGBTQ reputation?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GGG

It was gotcha journalism. There is no good policy reason to sit down with KD Lang. If he had done it the article would read Kenny out to score cheep points after being rejected Fromm Pride. And Why is Kenny talking to celebrities instead of real people. He couldn't have won this one.

The real issue of that should be being discussed is

I think you're both criminally understating KD Lang's significance in the Calgary LGBTQ landscape and leaping to conclusions that aren't very likely.

I don't believe this would be viewed as scoring cheap points, why do you? I don't think there's anything cheap about having a real conversation with a significant figure in the community when invited to. I think the disconnect here is you've shown you really have zero idea how significant KD Lang is, not as a celebrity, but as a member of the LGBTQ community.

If you can't begin to understand that (which I'm gathering based on calling her a d-list celeb) then how can you really understand this situation?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think you're both criminally understating KD Lang's significance in the Calgary LGBTQ landscape and leaping to conclusions that aren't very likely.

I don't believe this would be viewed as scoring cheap points, why do you? I don't think there's anything cheap about having a real conversation with a significant figure in the community when invited to. I think the disconnect here is you've shown you really have zero idea how significant KD Lang is, not as a celebrity, but as a member of the LGBTQ community.

If you can't begin to understand that (which I'm gathering based on calling her a d-list celeb) then how can you really understand this situation?

I do not understand KD Langs role in the community so you do make a fair point there

I still stand by my position that a last minute invite puts Kenny in a no win situation and he shouldn't be expected to drop his current plans. The real issue is that he hasn't consulted with anyone not that he didn't respond to a Mike Morrison joke that became a real offer.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by GGG

Fair enough I was using hyperbole to make a point however celebrities should be the last people politicians talk to to set policy. Her life experience is significantly different than the average person do to her access to money.

Mike Morrison makes more sense to sit down with to talk about Alberta LGBT issues.
Kristopher Wells from that article makes a lot more sense to talk to
The Calgary Pride organizers make a lot more sense to talk to.
You make a lot more sense to talk to.
LGBT people within his own party make more sense to talk to.

It was gotcha journalism. There is no good policy reason to sit down with KD Lang. If he had done it the article would read Kenny out to score cheep points after being rejected Fromm Pride. And Why is Kenny talking to celebrities instead of real people. He couldn't have won this one.

The real issue of that should be being discussed is

I feel like you're missing the point on purpose. The point is that Kenney could meet with KD Lang, or Morrison or Wells, or the Pride organizers - but he has shown no interest in doing so.

The UCP claims they've turned the page on their past issues with the LBGTQ community yet the favorite (yech!) in the leadership campaign won't avail himself of an opportunity to speak with the community before the Pride parade.

UCP - shame ####, different pile.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

I feel like you're missing the point on purpose. The point is that Kenney could meet with KD Lang, or Morrison or Wells, or the Pride organizers - but he has shown no interest in doing so.

The UCP claims they've turned the page on their past issues with the LBGTQ community yet the favorite (yech!) in the leadership campaign won't avail himself of an opportunity to speak with the community before the Pride parade.

UCP - shame ####, different pile.

That's the exact point I am making. the post you quoted says exactly what you are saying.

My issue that using KD Lang as the catalyst for this argument isn't a valid criticism. Criticize him for not meeting with anyone don't criticize him for his last minute rejection of KD Lang.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Is he meeting with any non-celebrities in LGBTQ community to get there stance?

Originally Posted by GGG

That's the exact point I am making. the post you quoted says exactly what you are saying.

My issue that using KD Lang as the catalyst for this argument isn't a valid criticism. Criticize him for not meeting with anyone don't criticize him for his last minute rejection of KD Lang.

No one has been suggesting he must only meet with KD Lang and people have been complaining about this issue within the UCP long before her offering Kenney tickets and a discussion. Until Kenney actually does something to show support for the LGBTQ community people will question his motives for any avoidance or deflection on the matter.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by GGG

That's the exact point I am making. the post you quoted says exactly what you are saying.

My issue that using KD Lang as the catalyst for this argument isn't a valid criticism. Criticize him for not meeting with anyone don't criticize him for his last minute rejection of KD Lang.

KD Lang's offer was a response in a thread where Mike Morrison was reaching out to Kenney to come to various Pride events, including the concert. I'm sure Mike Morrison and KD Lang wouldn't be put out if he actually is busy, the point is that Kenney has put zero effort in meeting with that community at any point.

[SebC]

Is accepting concert tickets for a meeting even legal? (Obviously, he could still meet her without accepting the tickets.)

[Fuzz]

http://www.canadalandshow.com/kd-lan...ey-if-hes-gay/

Is the elephant in the closet here that Kenney just might actually be gay? Is attempting to distance himself from the association with LGBTQ because he fears that would jeopardize his leadership chances?

[Weitz]

Maybe he just didn't want to go to a KD Lang concert?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Maybe he just didn't want to go to a KD Lang concert?

Unless he thinks that talking to any member of the LGBTQ community or making commitment to equality a policy requires attending a KD Lang concert I don't think he should be using that as an excuse.

[SebC]

Alt-pride?

Two members of the LGBTQ community disappointed with Calgary Pride’s decision not to allow police to march in the parade in uniform have organized their own event, where they say all uniforms are welcome.

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