06-29-2017, 01:50 PM
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#141
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski
It's a good contract but when you send out guys like Byron, Granlund and Baertchi (all proved they can produce at NHL level) for various reason and replace with Brouwer, Chaisson and Versteeg it's hard to see net positives in the big picture.
Calgary needs some of the wingers they drafted or prospects acquired to develop and make the jump this year or next. Especially given the trading of futures recently.
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* Baertchi asked to be traded or he was going home. So good riddance.
* Granlund was expendable due to the depth on center, Versteeg had a better PPG last year and wasn't playing top line minutes.
* Byron was unfortunate to lose on waivers. Montreal was smart to steal him.
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06-29-2017, 01:50 PM
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#142
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski
It's a good contract but when you send out guys like Byron, Granlund and Baertchi (all proved they can produce at NHL level) for various reason and replace with Brouwer, Chaisson and Versteeg it's hard to see net positives in the big picture.
Calgary needs some of the wingers they drafted or prospects acquired to develop and make the jump this year or next. Especially given the trading of futures recently.
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Versteeg had more points than Sven or Granlund.
Prorated he had the same as Byron.
Versteeg cost the Flames nothing.
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06-29-2017, 01:50 PM
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#143
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Originally Posted by AC
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You are doing gods work son. Thank you for all your hard work.
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06-29-2017, 01:50 PM
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#144
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Formerly FlamesFaninChina
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Thailand
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Excellent signing!
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06-29-2017, 01:51 PM
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#145
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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1.75 million?!?! I'd be willing to pay him that merely for his shootout success. Gravy baby.
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06-29-2017, 01:51 PM
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#146
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Don't forget Frolik and the defensemen!
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Yep of course, after Versteeg. Plus Bennett, then the rookies, OT wins, etc videos.
So much to do still...
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06-29-2017, 01:51 PM
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#147
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by YYC in LAX
I would rather have 7 and a half Versteeg's, than one Mcdavid
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You can have 7 and a half Versteeg's, it's called the Vancouver Canucks LOL.
Versteeg at $1.75M for one year is a good deal, but he's a complimentary player. A very good complimentary player as he does a few things very well.
Getting guys like this on one year contracts is a key to any contending team.
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06-29-2017, 01:52 PM
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#148
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AC
Yep of course, after Versteeg. Plus Bennett, then the rookies, OT wins, etc videos.
So much to do still...
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You're doing a great job, just remember that we all appreciate it.
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06-29-2017, 01:52 PM
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#149
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Fun fact: Versteeg produced better than all of Byron, Granlund, and Baertschi last year. There's a "net positive"
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Versteeg didn't outscore Byron.
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06-29-2017, 01:53 PM
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#150
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AC
Yep of course, after Versteeg. Plus Bennett, then the rookies, OT wins, etc videos.
So much to do still...
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Whatever, you've put in the time with your wife. Wedding over, time to put things on cruise control.
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06-29-2017, 01:53 PM
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#151
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Norm!
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Soo Brad
you've just had an amazing off season. Grabbed another top 4 defenseman that the Oilers probably wanted, stole a free agent that they coveted, traded for a new starting goaltender for cheap, and resigned Versteeg for great value.
What are you going to do now?
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06-29-2017, 01:55 PM
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#152
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski
Versteeg didn't outscore Byron.
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I said he "produced better"
Versteeg: 41 points in 73 games (0.55 P/GP)
Byron: 44 points in 87 games (0.51 P/GP)
Even excluding playoffs:
Versteeg: 37 points in 69 games (0.54 P/GP)
Byron: 43 points in 81 games (0.53 P/GP)
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06-29-2017, 01:55 PM
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#153
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski
It's a good contract but when you send out guys like Byron, Granlund and Baertchi (all proved they can produce at NHL level) for various reason and replace with Brouwer, Chaisson and Versteeg it's hard to see net positives in the big picture.
Calgary needs some of the wingers they drafted or prospects acquired to develop and make the jump this year or next. Especially given the trading of futures recently.
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Are you saying Brouwer and Versteeg haven't proven they can produce at the NHL level?
Granlund has 32 points. Sven had 35. And those were their best years by a long shot. So have they proven anything other than, on a really weak team where they get ice time they can get some points? Even moreso with Byron - the guy had 43 points when his absolute best before was 21.
Versteeg had 37 points and that was not anywhere near his best. Brouwer's 25 was his worst season ever, and he is usually 20 points above that. I think it's reasonable to expect a comeback year from Brouwer and about the same season from Versteeg.
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06-29-2017, 01:57 PM
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#154
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Franchise Player
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06-29-2017, 01:58 PM
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#155
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timbit
Versteeg had more points than Sven or Granlund.
Prorated he had the same as Byron.
Versteeg cost the Flames nothing.
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Yes and it's not that I dislike Versteeg, he's just much older than those other guys and they are a good bet to improve (big picture).
I'm looking at guys like Bennett and Jankowski and who their wingers will be. Versteeg and Brouwer don't excite me as much as younger guys who CGY developed (obviously).
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06-29-2017, 01:58 PM
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#156
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudfather
On Fan 960 Steinberg right now is raising the possibilility of the Flames buying out Bouma.
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Unless Treliving has a deal cooking where he needs the cap space, better off just burying him in the AHL.
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06-29-2017, 01:59 PM
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#157
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
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He's been chirping Toews all summer. #bromance
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06-29-2017, 02:00 PM
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#158
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski
Versteeg didn't outscore Byron.
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Sure, but the point here being that Versteeg was in fact a "net positive" contrary to your needless pessimism introduced above. But I suspect as an HFOilers regular your intention was not really to discuss the merits of this deal, which really can't be viewed as anything but a big win for the Flames
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06-29-2017, 02:03 PM
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#159
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
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I fully expect a thread on HF complaining about this any day now.
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06-29-2017, 02:04 PM
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#160
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski
Versteeg didn't outscore Byron.
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Pro rated to 82 games they were even. Including Baertschi & Granlund for comparison.
Versteeg - 0.53 ppg - 43 points pro rated
Byron - 0.53 ppg - 43 ppr
Baertschi - 0.51 ppg - 42 ppr
Granlund - 0.46 ppg - 38 ppr
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