03-01-2015, 08:03 PM
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#141
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
Why not? They were willing to eat $30m just to get rid of Clarkson. I could see them eating another $18m for a 1st++ while getting out from under Phaneuf.
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Leafs don't care about the money but they care about the cap hit.
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03-01-2015, 08:07 PM
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#142
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by MisterJoji
If that is actually the asking price, Nonis is getting nothing done on the final trade deadline day of his GMing career. But for a 4.0-4.5 million Phaneuf I'd give up anyone not named Monahan, Bennett, Gaudreau, Brodie, Giordano, maybe Poirier and 2015 first.
Baertschi + Gillies + Reinhart + 3rd?
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No.
Way too much.
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03-01-2015, 08:08 PM
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#143
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
Why not? They were willing to eat $30m just to get rid of Clarkson. I could see them eating another $18m for a 1st++ while getting out from under Phaneuf. There's only so many LTIR contracts out there that they can trade for in order to get another team to help them fix their mistakes, they might need to get creative on this one.
Think how much $$$ Vancouver was willing to hold on to in order to trade Luongo and remember that Toronto has much deeper pockets.
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Big difference with eating salary and eating cap space. With Horron they pay him but the cap won't count towards the cap. If they eat 2-3 Million in Dion per season then that directly influences their cap and they have dead cap space when this team will want to spend to the limit once they finish rebuilding likely sooner than 6 years from now
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03-01-2015, 08:10 PM
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#144
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: compton
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Big price difference there. A salary retained Phaneuf is costing a lot. Like Sam Bennett a lot.
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Phaneuf at 99 percent retained probably doesn't get Sam Bennett.
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03-01-2015, 08:15 PM
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#145
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Could Care Less
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Dion could fit on our 3rd pairing at 12 mins/game with sheltered matchups. He gets danced regularly.
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03-01-2015, 08:19 PM
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#146
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by MisterJoji
Dion is most assuredly not 7 million dollar, #1 defenseman. However, for 4 million dollars he would be a very solid #3/4 guy, which we are sorely lacking. Despite all our good drafting we are very thin at D. Gio-Brodie, Russell-Phaneuf would be a great top 4 for the next few years. I think Russell's steady D/positional game would complement Dion nicely. He hasn't had a partner like that since Hamrlik.
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Still not worth it IMO. He is not a #1 dman but will be getting paid like one regardless of who is paying it. Questions about his character, and hockey IQ seem to follow him wherever he goes. If you watch the guy play this year, you will just shake your head at some of the plays he makes. He'll be 30 in April and that part of his game is not getting better as he gets older. Besides all of that - do you really think he'll be happy with being the 3rd/4th guy on this team? I just don't see it. It's just too many flags and I see no reason to give him a second chance here. It's year two of the rebuild and we have some good potential dmen in the system like Rafikov, Culkin, Wotherspoon and Hickey as well as a few picks and some forwards that we could flip for better young dmen. I'd stay far away from Phaneuf.
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03-01-2015, 08:19 PM
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#147
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by FlamesNation23
Agreed that he could be a good number 3 or 4 guy, but we are still in Year 2 of the rebuild. I know its tempting after this season, but I would rather not trade one of our top two goalie prospects for a one-dimensional defenceman
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Which dimension does he even give anymore?
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03-01-2015, 08:20 PM
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#148
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacks
Leafs don't care about the money but they care about the cap hit.
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
Big difference with eating salary and eating cap space. With Horron they pay him but the cap won't count towards the cap. If they eat 2-3 Million in Dion per season then that directly influences their cap and they have dead cap space when this team will want to spend to the limit once they finish rebuilding likely sooner than 6 years from now
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I see what you're saying and agree to an extent. However there is something to be said for increasing Phaneuf's value using this method as they rebuild from the ground up. Look at Nashville and how successful they are not spending to the cap. Spending $ is not a sure fire way to success as much as acquiring blue chip prospects and 1st rounders is.
Six years is a long time to carry that dead cap space though, maybe it would be better to accept a Sutter-like return and save the money for more runs at the UFA market...
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03-01-2015, 08:21 PM
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#149
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing
Which dimension does he even give anymore?
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The dimension of suck. Oilers should trade for him. He would fit right in 
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03-01-2015, 08:24 PM
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#150
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Originally Posted by GettinIggyWithIt
Still not worth it IMO. He is not a #1 dman but will be getting paid like one regardless of who is paying it. Questions about his character, and hockey IQ seem to follow him wherever he goes. If you watch the guy play this year, you will just shake your head at some of the plays he makes. He'll be 30 in April and that part of his game is not getting better as he gets older. Besides all of that - do you really think he'll be happy with being the 3rd/4th guy on this team? I just don't see it. It's just too many flags and I see no reason to give him a second chance here. It's year two of the rebuild and we have some good potential dmen in the system like Rafikov, Culkin, Wotherspoon and Hickey as well as a few picks and some forwards that we could flip for better young dmen. I'd stay far away from Phaneuf.
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Quoted for truth.
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03-01-2015, 08:28 PM
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#151
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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I have said it before, I bet Phaneuf is an Oiler. As early as tomorrow.
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03-01-2015, 09:23 PM
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#152
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
I have said it before, I bet Phaneuf is an Oiler. As early as tomorrow.
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That would thrill me to no end. Match made in heaven.
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03-01-2015, 09:27 PM
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#153
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Lifetime Suspension
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Do you guys really want frankenstein back on our blue line? I dunno..
But there isn't much for picking out there.
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03-01-2015, 09:30 PM
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#154
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Norm!
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Watching Phaneuf play, I have zero interest in him coming here under a long term contract. His skating is just not what it used to be and that's really harmful because the guy is just a bone head when it comes to his positioning, I don't think he can keep up to the Flames speed game. On top of that he's getting huge money for a long term deal and he feels like a guy who's game is going to degrade before that contract runs out.
He's not someone that the Flames should pursue.
I think he should go to Edmonton, storm into the locker room, put his New Kids on the Block CD in the machine and crank that b%%%h
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03-01-2015, 09:46 PM
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#155
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Franchise Player
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If we take Coburn, shouldn't we be sending excess D-man of the same type like Smid or Eggs? (Leaning towards Smid)
If we took on LeCavlier, would retaining salary and shipping him and/or Stajan to Phoenix be useful move?
No comments about what else we would ship back.
I don't know much about Coburn, but his size really does seem like something that might be very useful on our blue line. Our average height for D-men is around the 6'0 to 6'1 (Ignoring Smid and Potter who are both 6'3)
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03-01-2015, 09:52 PM
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#156
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I hate coming into a Coburn thread and reading so much about Phaneuf. Terrible.
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03-01-2015, 10:02 PM
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#157
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Scoring Winger
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for Coburn I'd do
Coburn + Vinny for 2nd/3rd + B level prospect + Smid/Diaz
IF there's a deal I think this is what it'll look like
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03-01-2015, 10:19 PM
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#158
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: YYC
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Originally Posted by Monahan23
for Coburn I'd do
Coburn + Vinny for 2nd/3rd + B level prospect + Smid/Diaz
IF there's a deal I think this is what it'll look like
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That's a little steep on Calgary's part.
Especially when both players coming back are "Cap dumps" and one of them is a 4th line center.
-Smid/Diaz
-B level prospect (likely a NHL knocking center ex. Rienhart, Grandlund)
-4th round pick
We would be doing Philly a solid by taking two big contracts off their hands, so I think they can cut us a break and get by with the bare minimum.
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03-01-2015, 10:23 PM
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#159
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
I have said it before, I bet Phaneuf is an Oiler. As early as tomorrow.
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Hell of a prediction considering tomorrow afternoon is the deadline.
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03-01-2015, 10:36 PM
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#160
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Hell of a prediction considering tomorrow afternoon is the deadline.
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Oilers need a defenceman, leafs looking to unload, he is from Edmonton......just too many things fit.
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