03-01-2015, 06:45 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2011
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The mass confusion from the whole Coburn/Colborne thing would explode CP.
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03-01-2015, 06:59 PM
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#122
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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Not a fan of Coburn. Would much rather prefer a salary-retained Phaneuf (or full salary + other assets) than Coburn.
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03-01-2015, 07:01 PM
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#123
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by MisterJoji
Not a fan of Coburn. Would much rather prefer a salary-retained Phaneuf (or full salary + other assets) than Coburn.
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Big price difference there. A salary retained Phaneuf is costing a lot. Like Sam Bennett a lot.
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03-01-2015, 07:02 PM
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#124
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Trailer Fire
The mass confusion from the whole Coburn/Colborne thing would explode CP.
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Are you saying Pam or Pan?
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03-01-2015, 07:07 PM
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#125
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Are you saying Pam or Pan?
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03-01-2015, 07:09 PM
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#126
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Big price difference there. A salary retained Phaneuf is costing a lot. Like Sam Bennett a lot.
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You think Phaneuf is going to get a "sam bennett" like return?
I dont think they get ANYTHING close to that. His contract sinks any value he has. (term i mean)
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03-01-2015, 07:12 PM
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#127
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Big price difference there. A salary retained Phaneuf is costing a lot. Like Sam Bennett a lot.
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Phaneuf should and would be worth less today than when the flames moved him in 2010. No way he gets a top prospect in return
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03-01-2015, 07:12 PM
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#128
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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A 4.5m-5m Phaneuf would have nearly as much value as Yandle did today IMO.
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03-01-2015, 07:12 PM
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#129
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Big price difference there. A salary retained Phaneuf is costing a lot. Like Sam Bennett a lot.
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If that is actually the asking price, Nonis is getting nothing done on the final trade deadline day of his GMing career. But for a 4.0-4.5 million Phaneuf I'd give up anyone not named Monahan, Bennett, Gaudreau, Brodie, Giordano, maybe Poirier and 2015 first.
Baertschi + Gillies + Reinhart + 3rd?
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03-01-2015, 07:16 PM
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#130
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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I don't see the Leafs eating $2-$3M per season for 6 more years.
As for Coburn I see Flyers fans asking for a 1st plus in return. Way out of our price range
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03-01-2015, 07:17 PM
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#131
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Nanaimo
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Originally Posted by MisterJoji
If that is actually the asking price, Nonis is getting nothing done on the final trade deadline day of his GMing career. But for a 4.0-4.5 million Phaneuf I'd give up anyone not named Monahan, Bennett, Gaudreau, Brodie, Giordano, maybe Poirier and 2015 first.
Baertschi + Gillies + Reinhart + 3rd?
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I do not want any deal that includes Gillies being shipped out 
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03-01-2015, 07:20 PM
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#132
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by transplant99
You think Phaneuf is going to get a "sam bennett" like return?
I dont think they get ANYTHING close to that. His contract sinks any value he has. (term i mean)
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The key was salary retained. So if the Leafs retained half his salary for his contract then yes, the expected return would be at least a Sam Bennett. That is a hell of a lot of money and Phaneuf at half his salary is pretty damn good. However I doubt they will retain salary so in that case the value becomes much less for sure.
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03-01-2015, 07:26 PM
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#133
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
I don't see the Leafs eating $2-$3M per season for 6 more years.
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Why not? They were willing to eat $30m just to get rid of Clarkson. I could see them eating another $18m for a 1st++ while getting out from under Phaneuf. There's only so many LTIR contracts out there that they can trade for in order to get another team to help them fix their mistakes, they might need to get creative on this one.
Think how much $$$ Vancouver was willing to hold on to in order to trade Luongo and remember that Toronto has much deeper pockets.
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03-01-2015, 07:35 PM
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#134
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
I do not want any deal that includes Gillies being shipped out |
Trevor yes.
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03-01-2015, 07:39 PM
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#135
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
I do not want any deal that includes Gillies being shipped out |
I hear ya but you got to give to get and I'm thinking the Leafs aren't very confident in their long term goalie situation. Gillies is a legit blue chip goalie prospect and it still leaves us Ortio, who also looks like he's going to be a very good goalie in this league. I just don't think any combo of B/C level prospects such as Baertschi, Granlund, Reinhart, Ferland, Agostino, Hanowski, Shore, etc. is enough to get Phaneuf with salary retained.
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03-01-2015, 07:43 PM
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#136
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by MisterJoji
I hear ya but you got to give to get and I'm thinking the Leafs aren't very confident in their long term goalie situation. Gillies is a legit blue chip goalie prospect and it still leaves us Ortio, who also looks like he's going to be a very good goalie in this league. I just don't think any combo of B/C level prospects such as Baertschi, Granlund, Reinhart, Ferland, Agostino, Hanowski, Shore, etc. is enough to get Phaneuf with salary retained.
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Why would we even want the pylon that is Dion Phaneuf? I would much rather keep Gilles and even Baertschi over getting Phaneuf, even with salary retained. Let's just stay the course
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03-01-2015, 07:56 PM
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#137
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
A 4.5m-5m Phaneuf would have nearly as much value as Yandle did today IMO.
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Significantly more.
That would require Toronto to carry 2-2.5M per year off the cap for over a half decade.
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03-01-2015, 07:56 PM
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#138
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesNation23
Why would we even want the pylon that is Dion Phaneuf? I would much rather keep Gilles and even Baertschi over getting Phaneuf, even with salary retained. Let's just stay the course
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Dion is most assuredly not 7 million dollar, #1 defenseman. However, for 4 million dollars he would be a very solid #3/4 guy, which we are sorely lacking. Despite all our good drafting we are very thin at D. Gio-Brodie, Russell-Phaneuf would be a great top 4 for the next few years. I think Russell's steady D/positional game would complement Dion nicely. He hasn't had a partner like that since Hamrlik.
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03-01-2015, 08:00 PM
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#139
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Significantly more.
That would require Toronto to carry 2-2.5M per year off the cap for over a half decade.
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How much is 'significantly more'? 2 1sts and a Duclair?
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03-01-2015, 08:02 PM
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#140
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by MisterJoji
Dion is most assuredly not 7 million dollar, #1 defenseman. However, for 4 million dollars he would be a very solid #3/4 guy, which we are sorely lacking. Despite all our good drafting we are very thin at D. Gio-Brodie, Russell-Phaneuf would be a great top 4 for the next few years. I think Russell's steady D/positional game would complement Dion nicely. He hasn't had a partner like that since Hamrlik.
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Agreed that he could be a good number 3 or 4 guy, but we are still in Year 2 of the rebuild. I know its tempting after this season, but I would rather not trade one of our top two goalie prospects for a one-dimensional defenceman
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